Does Apex kit eliminate mag release safety?

[um83canes]

I recently had the Apex Duty Cary kit and aluminum trigger installed in my 40c. I know when the pistol was "stock" I couldn't dry fire the gun without a magazine in place. However, post Apex dry firing without a magazine isn't an issue. It's not really a problem as I never relied on that safety feature, but I didn't realize Apex would affect the magazine release safety. Maybe some good information to consider for those who either do or don't like that safety...also want to confirm my gunsmith didn't make a mistake.

Sorry in advance if the topic has been discussed or is common knowledge etc.

 

[macski222]

Mag safety still works on mine after apex. Did you happen to lock slide open, then close it, then put a mag in, then take it out, then fire ? That's a lot of stuff... but that's the only way to get around my mag safety.. by flipping it back up as if you had a mag in the gun.

 

[DeathF.above]

Did your gunsmith take your mag. disconnect out? Sounds like you definitely had one in stock.

 

[Saudade]

There should be two levers in the front of the sear housing. One is the sear deactivation lever (looks yellowish-green). The other is the mag safety. The mag safety lever is spring loaded to drop when you take the mag out.

Here's a pic showing the mag safety lever sticking out. You can barely see the sear deactivation lever behind the ejector.

Here's a pic looking down the ejection port into magwell.

 

[um83canes]

Thanks!

For the info, responses and pictures. Going to have to take a look at my gun when I get home. I suppose I may have done the steps macski222 described but I don't think so. I have a feeling the magazine safety was removed or isn't functional. Is it sometimes customary to remove the magazine safety when installing the "duty Cary" kit - I have heard LEO's complain about that feature on M&P's. Or worse, did my gunsmith at my local range make a mistake during the installation - guys done a bunch. Is that even something that could be done accidentally? Thanks again!

 

[ATF]

Does it say on your slide the gun is capable of firing with magazine removed?

 

[josh8042]

Or worse, did my gunsmith at my local range make a mistake during the installation - guys done a bunch. Is that even something that could be done accidentally?

I don't believe it's possible to remove it accidentally since removal of the disconnect lever would require replacing the spring that tensions it with a different one. It might be possible that, depending on which APEX kit you purchased, the parts may have been incompatible with a magazine disconnect requiring it's removal. But if that is the case then the smith should have informed you thusly.

 

[Rastoff]

Did you happen to lock slide open, then close it, then put a mag in, then take it out, then fire ? That's a lot of stuff... but that's the only way to get around my mag safety.. by flipping it back up as if you had a mag in the gun.

Nope, it won't even fire this way. If the mag is out, the gun won't fire.

Here's how the M&P trigger works:

 

[macski222]

Nope, it won't even fire this way. If the mag is out, the gun won't fire.

Here's how the M&P trigger works:

Mine really does fire if I do things in that order.

 

[GtownGeorge]

I bet the GS who installed the kit left it off on purpose. Most people don't like the mag safety and he thought he was doing you a favor. He should have told you about the change or at least given you the option. If its not a 1 man shop they guy who did the work may not have been the guy who gave you your gun when you picked it up.

 

[Rastoff]

Mine really does fire if I do things in that order.

I believe you, but your gun is defective if that is the case.

Just to be sure we're on the same page, this is what you said previously:

• Lock the slide open.
• Close the slide.
• Insert a magazine.
• Remove the magazine.

Now if you pull the trigger, the striker will be released, i.e. the gun will fire. Is that correct? If so, your gun is defective. It should not be able to fire, regardless of what you did previously, if the mag is out. That is the function of the mag safety. I have tried this several times on my M&P 40 and it won't fire under any circumstances if the mag is out.

Of course, if you don't care about the mag safety this whole discussion is moot. I just want to be clear, the gun should not fire if the mag is out and it doesn't matter what you do prior; mag out = no fire.

 

[linkmodo]

I just installed an Apex FSS kit last week, and discovered the Apex sear actually affected my Mag Safety Lever in a way that the lever gets stuck in the disengaged position (meaning I can pull trigger without a mag) quite often and does not pop back out when magazine is removed..

I went ahead and removed mag-safety mechanism, and just cut a piece of spring from my ball-point pen to hold the take-down lever in place to reduce further incidents, so far so good.

 

[Golphin]

All sounds like a path to trouble at some point. I think I would stick with the sear fix for the most part.

 

[WR Moore]

If the Apex kit is interfering with the mag safety, they're potentially looking at lawsuits. Anyone mentioned this to them? Would be polite.