Does it have a name??

[bp231986]

I was wondering if anyone new what its called or the term for when you insert a mag into a pistol (M&P, Sigma, Glock) with enough force that it causes the slide to close chambering a round in without you having to sling shot the slide or re leasing the slide catch lever.

 

[rags]

Ready to go?

 

[scooter123]

I'll play, is it a Slamload?

 

[eveled]

Abusive?

 

[Alpo]

Broken gun?

 

[pownal55]

Dangerous?

 

[vigil617]

bp,

As entertaining as the responses from the peanut gallery are to your legitimate question, I can't find that there is a name for what you describe -- although "slamload" has a good ring to it, and echoes "slamfire" that occurs when the slide moves forward and fires a round in the process.

Here's a thread, one of many I am sure, about the issue in the M&P series. Long story short, it appears the manual will tell you not to insert the mag with substantial force, or the slide could move forward on its own.

thttp://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/204160-m-ps-auto-forward.html

 

[Old TexMex]

No slide release? I ask because the need to "slingshot" the slide is part of the scenario described. Never heard a term for it.

 

[rags]

No slide release? I ask because the need to "slingshot" the slide is part of the scenario described. Never heard a term for it.

To the best of my knowledge, it's grabbing the slide and pulling back fast and deliberate, letting it slip from your hands when the slide is all the way to the rear, very quickly.

 

[bp231986]

bp,

As entertaining as the responses from the peanut gallery are to your legitimate question, I can't find that there is a name for what you describe -- although "slamload" has a good ring to it, and echoes "slamfire" that occurs when the slide moves forward and fires a round in the process.

Here's a thread, one of many I am sure, about the issue in the M&P series. Long story short, it appears the manual will tell you not to insert the mag with substantial force, or the slide could move forward on its own.

thttp://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/204160-m-ps-auto-forward.html

Thanks vigil. i tried to look and find an actual term for it but could not. Slamload does sound like it would be a proper name for it though....Ive also noticed that its not just the MP line but my sigma and glocks do it as well. I guess its one of those things thats nameless also thanks for the link.

 

[Bkreutz]

I was wondering if anyone new what its called or the term for when you insert a mag into a pistol (M&P, Sigma, Glock) with enough force that it causes the slide to close chambering a round in without you having to sling shot the slide or re leasing the slide catch lever.

I call it advantage during a string of fire.

 

[pownal55]

bp,

As entertaining as the responses from the peanut gallery are to your legitimate question, I can't find that there is a name for what you describe -- although "slamload" has a good ring to it, and echoes "slamfire" that occurs when the slide moves forward and fires a round in the process.

Here's a thread, one of many I am sure, about the issue in the M&P series. Long story short, it appears the manual will tell you not to insert the mag with substantial force, or the slide could move forward on its own.

thttp://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/204160-m-ps-auto-forward.html

As a member of the so called "peanut gallery" you mention, my response of dangerous was not intended to amuse anyone. I simply point out the reckless mishandling of a firearm can cause an accident.

 

[Old TexMex]

To the best of my knowledge, it's grabbing the slide and pulling back fast and deliberate, letting it slip from your hands when the slide is all the way to the rear, very quickly.

Rags, i know what the term slingshot means, it's pretty standard.
what I was referring to was OP's question: what is the term for shoving the mag in so hard the slide jumps the the release. (Actually, the term is incorrect operation of a handgun.)
Glock calls it a slide stop, i think. My point is, why, with an open slide, would an operator not simply use the slide retainer/ release?
Slingshot is used with closed slide and loaded mag in place.

 

[bp231986]

Rags, i know what the term slingshot means, it's pretty standard.
what I was referring to was OP's question: what is the term for shoving the mag in so hard the slide jumps the the release. (Actually, the term is incorrect operation of a handgun.)

Not that I intend to use a lot of force, just trying to be as quick and as smooth as I can be. Has nothing to do with me intentionally using a lot of force for no good reason. I guess I should have have said the use of speed vs force.


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[vigil617]

As a member of the so called "peanut gallery" you mention, my response of dangerous was not intended to amuse anyone. I simply point out the reckless mishandling of a firearm can cause an accident.

Sorry, pownal. It was not my intention to offend.

I think the question mark after "dangerous" in your original post threw me off.

You're right that reckless mishandling of a firearm can cause an accident. I think the OP was describing what appeared to be a malfunction of the weapon -- or, at least, an unintended consequence of his method of inserting the mag -- and I didn't consider him to be acting recklessly.

Anyway, no offense intended to you or anyone else.

 

[Alpo]

I don't think that would qualify as "reckless handling".

What's the steps in a "tap, rack and roll" drill?

Hit the bottom of the magazine, to make sure it's seated, then rack the slide to pull out the jammed round (if there is one) and roll the gun to the side to allow the bad round to fall free.

FORCEFUL INSERTION of the magazine is not "reckless handling", it's the way you should do it. Doing it "slowly and gently" not only takes longer, but you might not get a good latch, and after a shot or two the mag falls from the well.

But when you FORCEFULLY INSERT the magazine, the slide jumps off the slide stop and closes by itself? That's either a defective gun or a defective design.

As pownal55 said, my comment was not made as a joke.

 

[16thVACav]

In my opinion, it is the autoloader version of closing a revolver cylinder by flicking your wrist. But I don't know what it is called.

 

[Waywatcher]

It's called inertia.

Things want to remain stationary--the slide release wants to stay where it is in space, but the rest of the gun is moving 'up' relative to the slide release.

A sharp smack on a heavy magazine, combined with a slick slide/slide release, combined with a lighter recoil spring, combined with a lighter slider release spring... Well you get the idea of the number of variables that could affect this.

 

[Old TexMex]

Not that I intend to use a lot of force, just trying to be as quick and as smooth as I can be. Has nothing to do with me intentionally using a lot of force for no good reason. I guess I should have have said the use of speed vs force.


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O.K. Now i'm with you. What I wonder is: if the slide is back, and locked open, if the loaded mag is shoved home, the thumb normally releases the slide to load and go to condition 1.
Why not use the thumb, rather than depend/ expect the slide to release. Is this a technique I haven't heard of?

Slingshot movement takes me from condition three to condition one.

Unless of course your firearm has no slide retainer/release, and those I know of do not remain slide back/ open breech when a mag is spent, but the slide is forward in condition 4.

If my slide closes by inserting a mag, I need to visit the armorer.

And BTW do you really want to use both hands when you can use one thumb of your hand that's already holding your weapon?

 

[vigil617]

Returning to the OP's original question of what this is called:

Since this occurrence apparently doesn't have a name, I think we should come up with one.

"Doohickey" and "Thingmabob" being already spoken for, how about "Magazine Assisted Inadvertent Slide Release (MAISL)" as in, "It scared the poo out of me when my Glock had a MAISL." Pretty soon, this phrase will be converted into an action verb, i.e. "My Glock MAISL-ed bigtime at the range yesterday."

Otherwise, we could just call it what we say when it happens. Pick the four letter word of your choice. Mine is "Whoa!"

YMMV -- Your moniker may vary.

 

[YARDDOG]

Instead of "Tap,Rack,Bang.,,,, Tap/Bang ; )
Y/D

 

[Waywatcher]

If my slide closes by inserting a mag, I need to visit the armorer.

No, you don't.

This is commonplace. Not reckless, not abusive, not a defective gun. Some guns do it more than others and some don't do it.

Don't worry about it. If it happens, treat it as a bonus; don't count on it happening. Keep your gun pointed in a safe direction at all times, and keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire. If you ever participate in IDPA or USPSA competitions, you will see this happen multiple times daily. It's just what happens when guns are run.

 

[Bkreutz]

I don't understand why some think this is a problem. When you insert a magazine, what is the next normal thing to do? Release the slide to go forward. Unless you put the mag in and then holster your pistol(or lay it on the bench) with the slide locked back I can't see where this is a problem. I can see where it would be a problem if you had your finger on the trigger when you put the mag in, but that's a completely different (and dangerous) problem.

 

[vigil617]

I don't understand why some think this is a problem. When you insert a magazine, what is the next normal thing to do? Release the slide to go forward. Unless you put the mag in and then holster your pistol(or lay it on the bench) with the slide locked back I can't see where this is a problem. I can see where it would be a problem if you had your finger on the trigger when you put the mag in, but that's a completely different (and dangerous) problem.

It's a problem in the sense that you're supposed to be the one operating your pistol's controls, not that they are supposed to be on autopilot.

 

[Old TexMex]

No, you don't.

This is commonplace. Not reckless, not abusive, not a defective gun. Some guns do it more than others and some don't do it.

Don't worry about it. If it happens, treat it as a bonus; don't count on it happening. Keep your gun pointed in a safe direction at all times, and keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire. If you ever participate in IDPA or USPSA competitions, you will see this happen multiple times daily. It's just what happens when guns are run.

"Commonplace" huh?
O.k., If you say so

..i don't participate in either.

Competitive shooting on a controlled range is fine, so...what do YOU call it. And if it's "a bonus" do you get extra points in IDPA OR USPSA for unintentionally going to cond. 1
I personally have never had it happen w/ my 1911 or CZ75, but I'm just an ignorant bodyguard too old to get hip.
Humor me.

You really think it's good to advocate that for novices?

 

[Waywatcher]

"Commonplace" huh?
O.k., If you say so

..i don't participate in either.

Competitive shooting on a controlled range is fine, so...what do YOU call it. And if it's "a bonus" do you get extra points in IDPA OR USPSA for unintentionally going to cond. 1
I personally have never had it happen w/ my 1911 or CZ75, but I'm just an ignorant bodyguard too old to get hip.
Humor me.

You really think it's good to advocate that for novices?

Well, I don't "advocate" for it; it just happens and it's best to just roll with it. No "bonus points" because in IDPA and USPSA your score is directly rated to your time and accuracy. The slide auto-releasing upon reloading saves a fraction of a second, which does help your score a tiny bit.

 

[LVSteve]

O.K. Now i'm with you. What I wonder is: if the slide is back, and locked open, if the loaded mag is shoved home, the thumb normally releases the slide to load and go to condition 1.
Why not use the thumb, rather than depend/ expect the slide to release. Is this a technique I haven't heard of?

Actually, where I was taught to shoot you NEVER use your thumb on the slide lock to release the slide. The technique is always to use the slingshot method as it ensures that the slide goes all the way back and has the most forward momentum to pick up the next round.

Please don't take offense, but the word on using your thumb on the slide lock (note: I STILL call it a lock) went something like this.

"Releasing the slide that way is a fixation of American speed shooters. We don't do that here."

 

[Old TexMex]

Got it, guys. I have to say, that since it would be an unusual occurance for me, i'd want to know if perhaps my slide stop was worn. If a competitor regularly had that happen, I might wonder if the slide stop had been altered. Not calling a FTDR, just saying that if one of my bottom feeders slammed when I "inserted a magazine", i might just want to look at my equipment.
Thanks for being patient with me.

I guess my trainer thought I might have to do it one handed....but what if my right thumb had been shot off. Guess he never thought of that..

 

[eveled]

I have often wondered why they don't train guys to count their rounds, then change the mag while the last bullet is still in the chamber. I guess it comes from my fondness for revolvers. I count my shots automatically. Of course under stress all bets are off, Ed.

 

[MKT]

There is a term.....Slam Charge. Some may think it abusive but it sometimes happens when seating a mag hurriedly, Can be a benefit in an emergency reload as you have one less movement to contend with, but fair warning, it can be an eye opener when it doesn't slam charge when you need it too