Drivers license/CCW connected?

[yncrogers]

Cmort -

I love the fact that PA is a shall issue state. I do not like the fact that as long as you have never been caught (i.e. you don't have a police record) you can carry a gun with no training. Just go to your LGS, plunk your money on the counter and walk out with the gun of your choice. Go to your local police, fill out papers, wait a couple weeks and take finished papers to courthouse - ta-da you can now carry said gun just about anywhere. I grew up around guns, spent 21 years in the Navy and currently carry on a daily basis. I would not be against having to take a basic gun safety course to get my CCW.

 

[cmort666]

Cmort -

I love the fact that PA is a shall issue state. I do not like the fact that as long as you have never been caught (i.e. you don't have a police record) you can carry a gun with no training. Just go to your LGS, plunk your money on the counter and walk out with the gun of your choice. Go to your local police, fill out papers, wait a couple weeks and take finished papers to courthouse - ta-da you can now carry said gun just about anywhere. I grew up around guns, spent 21 years in the Navy and currently carry on a daily basis. I would not be against having to take a basic gun safety course to get my CCW.

Ohio has a training requirement for CCW.

Is there any empirical data which shows that holders of PA LTCFs are any less safe with firearms than Ohioans with CHLs?

Were I to set the standard in Ohio, I would eliminate the requirement for firearms training and devote exactly the same time to Ohio firearms, self-defense and concealed carry law.

Off the top of my head, I can't think of a SINGLE instance where an Ohio CHL holder got into a jam because he didn't know his firearm or how to shoot. I can think of many instances where there was trouble because CHL holders and (far WORSE) LEOs didn't know the law. I advise everyone who asks me about getting an Ohio CHL to know AND obey the law, both because they have a legal duty to do so, and because you simply cannot count on Ohio LEOs to know it.

as you have never been caught

I find this especially disturbing. You do realize that exactly the same applies to any LEO, don't you?

 

[guitarded]

In GA, they are not connected. No duty to inform. I've always been a little on the fence on this. While I think it's probably okay do inform an officer out of courtesy, I've also heard of people being treated as a criminal for legally carrying. Including having the officer's gun pointed at their head. Not something I want to experience.

 

[ladder13]

In patchwork NY, some counties tie into the DL database, some do not. No duty to inform here.

 

[mkk41]

Cmort -

I love the fact that PA is a shall issue state. I do not like the fact that as long as you have never been caught (i.e. you don't have a police record) you can carry a gun with no training. Just go to your LGS, plunk your money on the counter and walk out with the gun of your choice. Go to your local police, fill out papers, wait a couple weeks and take finished papers to courthouse - ta-da you can now carry said gun just about anywhere. I grew up around guns, spent 21 years in the Navy and currently carry on a daily basis. I would not be against having to take a basic gun safety course to get my CCW.

Well , in a way I agree. Seeing as how I was shot by a friend with a pistol , a permit , and zero training. But it still boils down to each individual taking responsibility for their own actions.
Who's gonna say just what the course should consist of? And how much the fee should be! The state or local police? Heck , many of them are just as dangerous. And I dare say most don't like civillians carrying guns.
There have been several incidents of cops and accidental discharges in the news the past years , including a few cops getting shot and killed by fellow officers.

I grew up around guns too. Got my first .22 revolver at 15. Been a casual and competitive shooter , collector and occasionally a dealer ever since.
The gun club I belonged to many years ago , before my Navy days , offered NRA basic , advanced and instructor courses as well as PA Act-231 certification. I took them when I was 18.

As you may know , the Navy offered very little in pistol training besides yearly qualification. Even getting qualified as a rangemaster was a joke. At least back in my day.

 

[ScottishGinger]

Sorry to revive this thread, but does anyone know if Louisiana connects theirs?

 

[Tom S.]

Sorry to revive this thread, but does anyone know if Louisiana connects theirs?

With technology today, I would be amazed if they didn't. Additionally, if CCW/CPL's ever become treated the same as driver's licenses, which is to say recognized in every state, I wouldn't be surprised to see a system that verifies you have a permit no matter what state you are in. Some have a problem with this, but I'm not one of them.

 

[LVSteve]

I found out something today that I have wondered about since 1996. Today a lady officer stopped me for making a left turn on red, the only problem was she was meeting me and said I didnt have a green lite, but I did and wife witnessed that the lites being green so I got off with out a summons.

Color me baffled by this part of the post.

 

[cmansguns]

hello forum;

just weighing in with my 2 cents. I live in Virginia....a "shall issue" state, and yes...to my knowledge we are also a "shall inform" state. I believe (like some of the above posters) that it comes down to attitude and courtesy toward any LEO that I run across no matter (to me) whether right or wrong on my part.

Of course having a daughter who is North Carolina State LEO adjusts my own attitude and outlook on her life too.

One other thing I feel that I have to do for my family, and the extended family. I've got 9 kids, several sets of their spouses and 10 grandkids so many years ago I printed up a little piece of paper and stuck it in the folder with Registration and Insurance Card, that lists their names and Drivers License numbers and giving permission to operate my VA registered Dodge pickup, along with a statement that "there are no concealed firearms or ammunition within this vehicle while being operated by any of the above individuals". The reason is simply that in VA they do have the permit right along with DL in the computer and like said before.....they know at least the registered owner may be carrying before they ever step out of the patrol car.

So far......a couple of stops for whatever reasons, and no issues when they show the paper with their license and my registration. Local LEO's have even commented that "Dad got it right", and let them go on their way.

 

[Chuck24]

hello forum;

just weighing in with my 2 cents. I live in Virginia....a "shall issue" state, and yes...to my knowledge we are also a "shall inform" state. I believe (like some of the above posters) that it comes down to attitude and courtesy toward any LEO that I run across no matter (to me) whether right or wrong on my part.

Of course having a daughter who is North Carolina State LEO adjusts my own attitude and outlook on her life too.

One other thing I feel that I have to do for my family, and the extended family. I've got 9 kids, several sets of their spouses and 10 grandkids so many years ago I printed up a little piece of paper and stuck it in the folder with Registration and Insurance Card, that lists their names and Drivers License numbers and giving permission to operate my VA registered Dodge pickup, along with a statement that "there are no concealed firearms or ammunition within this vehicle while being operated by any of the above individuals". The reason is simply that in VA they do have the permit right along with DL in the computer and like said before.....they know at least the registered owner may be carrying before they ever step out of the patrol car.

So far......a couple of stops for whatever reasons, and no issues when they show the paper with their license and my registration. Local LEO's have even commented that "Dad got it right", and let them go on their way.

Va is not a shall inform state. Please see state concealed carry FAQ

 

[hostler]

Florida - no. I read that it happens in so many places I asked a cop friend of mine.

I would check another resource. I'm pretty sure the two are connected in FL.
Wasn't there a case of a FL resident who got jammed up when he got pulled over in MD because it showed up on his DL?
I checked on this when I got my FL permit, I recall that it is linked to a FL DL but not to my PA DL.

 

[hostler]

Hold on a second while I don my flame suit......

OK, here goes. Having a concealed weapons permit does not mean you are a good guy or are particularly law-abiding. In a "shall issue" state it means you don't have any felony convictions, you may have taken a quickie CCW course, and you paid a fee.

I worked a Hell's Angel "fun run" in Montana a while back. Quite a few of those boys obligingly handed over concealed weapons permits when stopped. Non-felons legally carrying? Yes. Good guys? No.

I know it doesn't apply to the fine folks here, but there are dirtbags with permits out there. The cops just want to have all the information that is legally available to them when they make their approach to the vehicle.

Point, counter point.
So what you are saying is that a person's CCW status means nothing as far as whether that person is a good or bad person, it also doesn't tell you if that person happens to be carrying at the time of not.
So what I'm getting from this is that information is useless and means nothing anyway.

 

[Wrangler Rich]

In Illinois,

They are both issued by the state but by different agencies. DL ~ Secy of State. CCW ~ State Police. I believe that they are aware when they run the DL. However, I would inform at the earliest opportunity.

 

[BigDog48]

North Carolina is also the same way. If they run your D/L your CCP pops up. We are also a "Must Inform State", so if you don't inform them when you are stopped then you are in violation.

its also tied to,the registered owner of the vehicle (license plate) in NC. When stopped. Hand over your CCW with your license and registration. Otherwise, you're suspicicious and maybe illegal.

 

[Step N. Mud]

As previously stated, in Texas you are required to show both I.D.s and you agreed to do so when filing your LTC paper work. I'm positive that the officer has a lap top in the cruiser and will show pink elephants wearing tutu's dancing across the screen indicating that you do have a LTC and had better show both I.D.s as I found out awhile back for a traffic violation.

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

In SC your DL pic comes on your CWP.....

 

[NYlakesider]

Well I have got a few different answers about what is availablein the peoples republic of NY. You have to understand out pistol permit “system’’ is very complicate. It is basically a state system but for the most part operated by local authorities.

I talked with our Sheriff (he seems reasonable at least by NY standards) and he says at least from his county no CCW info is on your driver information.
A good friend of mine has a brother that is in the state police (sergeant) and I asked him about stuff like that and all I got in answer was a smile.

Our licenses do have some sort of a bar code type hieroglyphics on them so anything could be encoded there.

 

[ladder13]

Well I have got a few different answers about what is availablein the peoples republic of NY. You have to understand out pistol permit “system’’ is very complicate. It is basically a state system but for the most part operated by local authorities.

I talked with our Sheriff (he seems reasonable at least by NY standards) and he says at least from his county no CCW info is on your driver information.
A good friend of mine has a brother that is in the state police (sergeant) and I asked him about stuff like that and all I got in answer was a smile.

Our licenses do have some sort of a bar code type hieroglyphics on them so anything could be encoded there.

On the re-cert form they ask for your DL#. Come Jan 2018 the SP and anyone else hooked into their database will have a definite link between DL and PP.
Maybe that's why the Sgt smiled.

 

[BigBoy99]

Can LEOs in other states access the drivers license information in your state to determine if you have a concealed carry permit (CCP)? (NC ties the permit and Driver License (DL) together) My reason for asking is we travel to Baltimore, MD to visit the Grand Children and travel though that anti-gun state. I make sure that there is nothing gun related in the vehicle, not even an empty cartridge case! NC requires that both the DL and CCP be handed to the LEO when stopped. The last thing I want to do is to tell the MD LEO that I have a CCP so I just would rather hand them just my DL. I'm sure if they saw the CCP, I'd be spending a lot of time either on the side of the road or at the station. I never do anything to call attention to me but there is just the off chance you might get stopped.

 

[625-10scc]

At least in Wyoming the officer has a wealth of information when approaches your vehicle after the traffic stop and more when he runs your license . The CCW would be just one of many warrants , registration , insurance and any flags in the system like past criminal history , assaults on police officers ect .
My point do not feel that a CCW shows as some attach on your rights but what use are computer systems if not to provide as much potentially import information to the officer .
As a side note this is Wyoming and everyone has a firearm in their vehicle and a CCW does not provoke searchers { pat down } and cuffing . We are also on a computerized finger print system and Deputies do not strip in bars to gain information so not Absoraka County .