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My sister just hand-delivered a stash of ammunition which was kept by my recently deceased brother-in-law; 82nd Airborne and retired LEO. She is also retired LEO from the same department.

Mostly .38Spl and .45ACP along with some .357Magnum; total of about 2000 (much appreciated) rounds. My sister shoots mostly 9mm and has kept these.

Amongst the other items was a full 50-round box of .38 S&W, a caliber with which I am not familiar but have read about on the forum pages.

Upon examination, I find the S&W rounds to be somewhat shorter than the Spl. rounds.

Question - Are the S&W rounds safe to shoot from a .38Spl. handgun?
 
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They shouldn't fit in a 38 special unless the chambers are out of spec (overbored)

Thanks Arjay…..

Another question….if I offer these up as a Karma, are there any special restrictions on mailing ammo?
 
Not much to it - other then you must ship common carrier ie: FedEx or UPS, (NOT USPS) mark the box with the triangle with the black top and bottom and send it on it's way. No extra fees or otherwise tricks to shipping ammo.
 
Just to see , I tried to chamber some 38 S&W rounds into the following 38 special revolvers :
Colt Police Positive Special
Model 64 S&W ( K-frame)
Model 60 S&W (J-frame)
Model 637 S&W Airweight (J-frame)
Tarus model 85

None would accept the rounds , the bullet and 1/8" to 3/16" of the case would enter ...but NO MORE ... they don't fit .
Also tried 2 357 magnum revolvers ... but the 38 S&W is a no go in them also ...the 38 S&W is just too much larger in diameter to chamber .
Gary
 
An oddity of history is on display!

Most firearms manufacturers offered "proprietary" cartridges of their own design; probably an attempt to create an ongoing revenue stream. The .38 S&W cartridge is one developed by S&W late in the 19th Century, frequently chambered in the top-break revolvers of that era and continuing into the 20th Century in the M&P series of hand-ejectors.

Colt offered their own .38 centerfire round, originally as the .38 Colt and later as the .38 Long Colt. That cartridge was officially adopted by the US Army as a service cartridge in the late 1890s, replacing the .45 Colt with a new double-action Colt revolver. The .38 Long Colt developed a rather poor reputation for stopping power in combat during the Philippine Insurrection, leading to new military trials for handguns and cartridges in about 1905.

Smith & Wesson submitted the Military & Police Model (hand-ejector) chambered for the new .38 Smith & Wesson Special cartridge, basically developed simply by lengthening the .38 Long Colt case to increase powder capacity, thus achieve higher velocities and energy.

The new .38 S&W Special became very successful, probably the most popular handgun cartridge of the 20th Century in the United States (and many other nations).

Why S&W chose to base this development on the Colt cartridge is an interesting question. They certainly could have done a very similar thing with their own .38 S&W case.

In any event, .38 S&W cases have different body diameters, overall length, and case head dimensions than the .38 Colt, .38 Special, etc. Revolvers chambered for .38 Colt, .38 Special, and .357 magnum will usually not accept the S&W cartridge (unless well over nominal dimensions in the chamber). But .38 Special and .357 magnum revolvers will readily accept the .38 Colt and .38 Long Colt, all being based on the same case head and body diameter.

Back in the 1960s there were thousands of S&W Victory Models re-imported to the US, originally made for the .38 S&W (or .38-200 as the Brits called it) and rechambered for .38 Special to appeal to the US marketplace. This seemed to work, but frequently resulted in case ruptures due to the oversized chambers.

Prior to WW2 most of the major gun makers focused on firearms chambered for their own cartridge designs, and there was no standardization to speak of. When a gun maker offered something in another maker's caliber design it was usually marketed without reference to the competitor (.44 Winchester Center Fire became the .44-40, .32 WCF became the .32-20, etc). The .38 Smith & Wesson Special is no exception to that rule, having become more commonly known as the .38 Special when seen in other maker's firearms.

It has only been since the early 1960s that we have seen much effort toward standardization in cartridge and firearms manufacture (via SAAMI). Before that it was common to see ammunition boxes describing which specific firearms their products were "regulated" for (rifle, handgun, Colt, S&W, Marlin, etc).
 
Not only is the case shorter but wider too. The .38 Special uses a .357" or .358" bullet while the 38S&W shoots a .360"/.361" diameter bullet.

The velocity and pressures are lower in the 38S&W too.
 
38 S&W ammo

it's quite the burden but if you send them to me i will dispose of them. one of several. did i say one. scratch that. 2 of a few. krs
 

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It never ceases to amaze me how many people will create lenthy responses to such a simple question. Personally I own somw 30 odd .38 Special and .357 Magnum revolvers, Colt, S&W, Etc. of these guns just over 50% of them will accept .38 S&W ammunition depending on date of manufacture of the ammunition. There is absolutely no safety issue involved!
THE TRUE ANSWER IS MAYBE! Try the ammunition you have in your gun(s), and if it fits then shoot it.
 
You will have to ship by UPS or Fedex, and you will not be able to ship from a UPS or Fedex store. You will have to go to a hub/service center location. The biggest challenge in that regard may be the distance from your home. In my case in suburban Pittsburgh, the closest UPS hub is 20 miles away.
 
The heavier 38 S & W was supposed to be a pretty good defense cartridge (38/200 load). I had good luck reloading 38 S & W with a hollow base lead bullet (I shot a lemon squeezer and a British Victory).

Keep pressures down if you do relaod for a future acquisition.
 
Yup...as expected, these rounds don't fit my .38 Specials.

Am trying to give away locally...if that doesn't work, will move on to a forum-wide karma.

TIA
 
Hard to think that no one in the area has a 38 S&W that might want that ammo
or at least make a swap.

Good luck with that ammo or getting a wepon for it ?? !!
 
I recently shipped some ammo to my brother-in-law a few states away. The UPS terminal (not a store or substation in Office Depot) handled it without questions and it wasn't that expensive.

Look up the required marking and packing, you can download the required label.
 
I was able to find someone local who could use this box of ammo. We've arranged to meet later this week.

Thanks to all for your help and guidance!
 
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