E. Howard Hunt's take on JFK assination-Comments welcome

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God Bless Dallas Police Officer J. D. Tippit. May he rest in peace and remain in our memory.
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An excellent and very comprehensive book regarding J.D. Tippit and much more is "With Malice, Lee Harvey Oswald and the Murder of J.D. Tippit" by Dale K. Myers. This book was published about twenty-five years ago and may be long out of print; I haven't checked.

The book is completely factual; nothing for the conspiracy fiends. It contains a good bit of information and photos you won't find elsewhere. Certainly worth reading if you can find a copy.
 
I assume that the Sixth Floor assassination museum in the Texas Schoolbook Depository building is still operating. I was there only once, about 20 years ago. Anyway, within the museum was a gift/souvenir shop that had what I imagine was every book about the assassination ever published up to that time for sale. There are probably even more for sale there today.

Regarding the Tippitt book, what does it say about the mismatched cartridge cases and bullets, if anything?
 
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DWalt said:
I assume that the Fifth Floor assassination museum in the Texas Schoolbook Depository building is still operating. I was there only once, about 20 years ago. Anyway, within the museum was a gift/souvenir shop that had what I imagine was every book about the assassination ever published up to that time for sale. There are probably even more for sale there today.

Regarding the Tippitt book, what does it say about the mismatched cartridge cases and bullets, if anything?
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Probably a good question, but I don't remember. It's been a long time since I read the book.
 
The 6th Floor Museum is in fact still open and does well.

I enjoy hanging around Dealy Plaza and talking to the kooks that shuffle about trying to sell their side of the tale.

We will probably never know the truth. Even if they told us the truth, we probably would not believe it.

But, it was LBJ...via the CIA, utilizing the mafia.

Just my theory...

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rockquarry said:
Probably a good question, but I don't remember. It's been a long time since I read the book.
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There were some messy inconsistencies regarding the revolver ammunition that could never be resolved and were never completely investigated or explained. There is mention of it in the WCR, and some other problems not in the WCR concerning where the cases were recovered, somewhere they shouldn't have been. I don't remember the details, and was thinking that the book might clarify things. As I remember, the revolver could not be definitely established as being the one used to kill Tippit.

I also remember that some of the conspiracy theories even had Tippit as being involved in the assassination plan, something like his job was to kill Oswald before he could be captured so he couldn't talk, but Oswald beat him to the draw. Screwy stuff.
 
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Some Australian TV show did the whole thing using a Carcano Short Rifle and the proper surplus ammo and it seemed hard to miss. Much of the "Carcanos are inaccurate" myth comes from US owners using US sized 6.5 ammo made with incorrect assumptions as to how the barrel is rifled. The Italians designed the Carcano differently, with much deeper rifling.
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Regarding the ammunition, Italian-made WWII military ammunition was widely available and dirt cheap at that time. It was very unreliable through my own personal experience. I even have several 18-round boxes of it (three clips of six rounds). The real issue was that Oswald allegedly used ammunition made in the USA by the Western Cartridge Co. in 1954 (under a somewhat mysterious US military contract, allegedly for shipment to Greece), which thereby creates another puzzle involving both the purpose of its manufacture and its availability. That ammunition made by Western was not sold on the US civilian market for sporting purposes. It definitely did not come from Klein's along with the rifle, and exactly how and where Oswald (or whoever) obtained it remains unknown. I have not found any reports made of the discovery of the source of the Western-made 6.5mm ammunition, rather I found only one brief mention, which was not in the WCR, that indicated an FBI search was conducted to find where Oswald (or whoever) obtained the Western 6.5mm ammunition, and that it was "unsuccessful." I was already aware of that from another completely independent source. It is surprising that so little has been made of this omission. All that is known is that three fired 6.5mm cartridge cases and one unfired cartridge (which was in the chamber of the rifle) were located in the "Sniper's Nest" on the sixth floor. If Oswald (or whoever) possessed any additional ammunition beyond those four rounds, it has not been discovered anywhere. That in itself is highly suspicious.

Indeed there are some very puzzling unanswered ammunition-related questions remaining. Not the least of which being why an assassin would go out with only four rounds of ammunition. Logically it would be at least six rounds, one full clip.
 
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My opinion is the last kill shot came from the grassy knoll out of a Remington XP-100 bolt action pistol fired by James Files who was in his 20's at the time and worked for the Chicago mob. He came a week ahead of time and stayed at the Lamplighter Inn in Mesquite. I've seen his long in-depth interview and nobody could make up what he said and answer questions so quickly and expound on them as he did without first hand knowledge.
 
I am convinced that one of the most evil and deranged men to ever live in the White House had a hand in it, LBJ. Counting JFK, LBJ had at least 5 people killed to further his political career.

Nixon was nothing compared to Johnson, heck, Johnson never even really considered Nixon a threat. Johnson was just plain ole mean.
 
jrm53 said:
I was 23 on that Friday afternoon and having handled a Carcano rifle I never really believed that story. I burned a DVD off of Newsmax that that a fellow claimed he had done it with a Remington single shot rifle that came out a year or so before, a 221 Fireball from behind the fence on the knoll. When they got back to D.C. later some said his brain was removed, if it was I thought reason was the bullet fragments would ave give it away because the other bullets were not hollow points. It just made me wonder. Jeff
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Kennedy's brain was removed. When I was at FLETC (Federal Law Enforcement Training Center)…we were shown autopsy photos and in one photo you could clearly see much of his skull was gone and his cranium empty. It's always been said the brain was lost/misplaced/unaccounted for but most involved believe it was back in place when he was buried…but no one is going to disinter to verify.
 
Puller said:
I am convinced that one of the most evil and deranged men to ever live in the White House had a hand in it, LBJ. Counting JFK, LBJ had at least 5 people killed to further his political career.

Nixon was nothing compared to Johnson, heck, Johnson never even really considered Nixon a threat. Johnson was just plain ole mean.
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A little research on "Mac Wallace" might be instructive. Many Texans of the LBJ era should remember him well as being LBJ's personal hitman. His specialty was fake suicides. One of his victims managed to shoot himself five times.

My father was a lifetime hard-core Democrat, and was always heavily involved in local politics. Until LBJ became president.
 
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Kennedy's brain was removed. When I was at FLETC (Federal Law Enforcement Training Center)…we were shown autopsy photos and in one photo you could clearly see much of his skull was gone and his cranium empty. It's always been said the brain was lost/misplaced/unaccounted for but most involved believe it was back in place when he was buried…but no one is going to disinter to verify.
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There was a story that RFK was involved in the vanishing brain episode. No brain, no assessment possible of any bullet fragments in the brain, no way to tell the path of the bullet. Did RFK Steal JFK's Brain? | Vanity Fair
 
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As I was growing up in South Texas a common saying was "Texas politics is as crooked as a barrel of snakes."

For some interesting reading do a search on "Ballot Box 13" and "The Dukes of Duval County."
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LBJ was corrupt to the core. Even the famous Texas Ranger, Frank Hamer, lost when he went up against LBJ's dirty political machine.
 
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There was a story that RFK was involved in the vanishing brain episode. No brain, no assessment possible of any bullet fragments in the brain, no way to tell the path of the bullet. Did RFK Steal JFK's Brain? | Vanity Fair
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I don't give any credibility to theories that it was buried with Kennedy as it was first retained as evidence by the secret service along with other autopsy materials, and then stored in the National Archives, until 1966 when RFK asked for its return and it was unable to be located.

RFK asked for the brain to be returned in 1966 with a few different theories as to why:

1) to have it buried and or buried with JFK, rather than potentially being displayed at some point (that's the most plausible explanation, and a very understandable, human motivation);

2) to prevent analysis of brain, along with autopsy slides of the brain, which might indicate the presence of a brain disease;

3) to prevent analysis of the bullet fragments in the brain that would indicate a bullet other than a 6.5 mm Carcano bullet struck Kennedy's head; and

4) to conceal the fact that the head wound came from the grassy knoll, part of the multiple shooter, Oswald didn't act alone conspiracy theory, which doesn't make much sense.

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1 & 2 require no knowledge by RFK of the negligent discharge and are both plausible, with number 2 implying a motive to conceal evidence medical evidence to protect JFK's reputation.

Given Donahue's finding and his excellent analysis of trajectories involved, which far better explains the events than the WCR; and the overheard statement by the lead secret service agent at Parkland hospital on a call to RFK that "there's been an accident", number 3 is also plausible.

I'll argue it is the most plausible explantation as it doesn't necessarily require RFK to be involved in the theft (and begs the question why would RFK risk an investigation by asking for the return of the brain).

However it doesn't exclude him either. If the ND occurred as Donahue and later McLaren concluded, RFK had an understandable motive to conceal that even greater tragedy as it would be better for his brother to be the noble casualty of an assassination than the unfortunate victim of an accidental shooting, especially until after the autopsy concluded the bullet fired by Oswald would have most likely been fatal on its own.

The Warren Commission also had no reason to dig into that aspect of the assassination. The WRC correctly established that Oswald was not part of any conspiracy but was a disaffected nut acting alone.

The Warren Commission went out of its way to obscure and or avoid any evidence that would have involved Agent Hickey and an ND to the assassination, to the point of not seeking his testimony as an eye witness.

That's not a surprise as the Warren Commission was as much a political body as it was an investigative body, and no one would have benefitted from the fact that Kennedy was negligently shot by a member of the secret service. What mattered was clarifying that the Soviets, the Cubans and the mob were not involved.

It's clearly debatable how successful that was, but it worked well enough. It removed an political pressure to take action against any other entity. As an added bonus, the lingering conspiracy theories and resulting focus on the large number of inconsistencies deflected nicely from any consideration that Hickey slipped and shot JFK.
 
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My opinion is the last kill shot came from the grassy knoll out of a Remington XP-100 bolt action pistol fired by James Files who was in his 20's at the time and worked for the Chicago mob. He came a week ahead of time and stayed at the Lamplighter Inn in Mesquite. I've seen his long in-depth interview and nobody could make up what he said and answer questions so quickly and expound on them as he did without first hand knowledge.
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The Jim Files story, while initially sounding sexy, has been disected and debunked.

To further prove this, consider the fact that he was never charged with the crime.

He's actually still alive.

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Coincidentally, this video was posted on YT yesterday. Mark Felton posts videos about mostly obscure historical subjects. They are well produced and seem to be accurate. This one is just about Oswald and Ruby's guns and what happened to them after the assassination. Nothing really new but very interesting.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60ahob95TUw[/ame]
 
Benton Quest said:
The Jim Files story, while initially sounding sexy, has been disected and debunked.

To further prove this, consider the fact that he was never charged with the crime.

He's actually still alive.

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I have run across the Files story several times over the years. It does not seem to me to have much credence. No question that he had ties to the mob, however. I seem to remember something about Files biting the fired cartridge case when he killed somebody, then leaving it behind, sort of like a calling card. Seems like a stupid thing to do, if true. Maybe I am confusing that practice with some other hitman.
 
Yes...and to add credence to Files BS tale, someone allegedly turned up a .222 piece of brass at the grassy knoll that had a human bite mark in it.

However...

1) The head stamp proved the casing was made after 1971

2) Have you ever tried to "bite" a rifle cartridge case hard enough to leave an imprint? Good luck...

3) I may be wrong...as I am not a Remington expert, nor do I play one on TV, but I thought the .222 clambering in the XP100 came later. I thought all they had back then was the .221 Fireball

4) Who the hell chooses that weapon system?

5) File had mob guys present at the deed...and even taking shots. That's not how that works.

6) He was never indicted.

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One of my peeves is that the assassination rifle is nearly always identified as being a "Mannlicher-Carcano". The Italians never called it by that name. It was the Modello 1891 Carcano, rifle or carbine.The only thing Mannlicher about it was that it used an en bloc magazine clip. But a number of other rifles also did, and they were never called Mannlicher-anything. The very same rifle design was used by several other countries.
 
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Everyone knows what a Garand is but that is not and never was an official designation anymore than Trapdoor Springfield or Krag-Jorgensen. I have hazy memories of the rifle initially identified as a Mauser.
If there was a conspiracy it involved the minimum number of people all of whom kept their mouths shut, planned carefully, left no paper trail. I read lots of true crime books, I am amazed at all these cases of people seeking to hire a "hitman", yet they do it with less care than hiring a plumber or electrician or a lawn crew.

Everybody assumes that "classified" documents contain information that would be of tremendous value to our enemies-or is simply embarrassing.
Never heard of deception operations ? The "Bodyguard of Lies"?
 
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Yes, you bring up a fine point: it seems that about 92% of the time, when people hire a hit man, they usually dealing with an undercover cop.

Likewise for terrorists trying to by explosives.

I guess those are not things obtained on Craigslist.

Or...perhaps they are.

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Yes, an undercover cop. Or a dopehead who does a botch job, leaves a trail of evidence a mile wide.
 
Benton Quest said:
Yes, you bring up a fine point: it seems that about 92% of the time, when people hire a hit man, they usually dealing with an undercover cop.

Likewise for terrorists trying to by explosives.

I guess those are not things obtained on Craigslist.

Or...perhaps they are.

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Does anyone remember the hitman who ran an ad in "Soldier of Fortune" magazine for his services? And someone hired him? I don't remember any of the details, but it was big news at the time, I think that was sometime back in the late 1980s. I remember thinking that the ad staff at SOF must have been total morons to run an ad like that.
I found he story. Soldier of Fortune Magazine Held Liable for Killer'''s Ad - The New York Times
 
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I don't know.. I had a friend..Vinnie from Philly..he did a job for me once. He knew where a certain Teamster boss was located. He also said the mob didn't do the Kennedy job.
 
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