Early 686 Question

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Stumbled into a super clean Early 80's 686 No Dash. No box of coarse. AAK7XXX. Thought about passing due to no "M" modification. Does S&W still do the modification and since it probably won't be a duty gun or EDC would you even worry about getting it done. Not big on sending guns off, One never came back home. UPS ate it I guess.
 
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The serial number dates to late 1982, so you're correct, it's a fairly early one. I would almost consider the recall "optional" at this point, unless the gun would be carried, or if you experienced issues with magnum ammunition.

As far as I know, S&W is still doing the "upgrade", as they often referred to it. You could double check with them by phone.....1-800-331-0852.


Recall notice:


SMITH & WESSON
MODEL 581, 586, 681, 686, or 581-1,
586-1, 681-1, 686-1 & 686CS-1, REVOLVERS

RECALL: Reports have been received from the field where the combination of a SMITH & WESSON L-FRAME 357 MAGNUM REVOLVER and some .357 Magnum ammunition has resulted in unacceptable cylinder binding. L-frame revolvers bearing model numbers:

581, 586, 681, 686, or 581-1, 586-1,
681-1, 686-1, 686CS-1

Cylinder binding can cause a failure to fire. Mishandling a revolver while freeing the cylinder can result in accidental discharge.

Cylinder binding can result from a number of causes, including characteristics of an individual revolver or the use of ammunition, which does not conform to industry pressure specifications or is particularly fast burning. Recent developments in ammunition manufacture emphasize the production of .357 Magnum ammunition with increased velocity and greater primer sensitivity.

Although there have been very few reported incidents of cylinder binding, in view of our concern for our customer's safety and the reliability of Smith & Wesson products in all circumstances, we issue the following warning:

In a situation where a failure to fire can be critical - such as law enforcement or personal protection - do not use .357 Magnum ammunition with an L-frame revolver bearing model numbers 581, 586, 681, 686 or 581-1, 586-1, 681-1, 686-1, 686CS-1 without an "M" over the model number until you have had the revolver modified.

Those who need to use their L-frame revolver under these conditions prior to modification can safely fire .38 Special caliber ammunition.

Smith & Wesson has developed a modification to improve existing L-frame revolvers. This improvement enables them to fire all .357 Magnum ammunition, without cylinder binding. Shipments of L-frame revolvers from our factory after August 21, 1987 already include this improvement.

You can check if your revolver includes this improvement by looking at the left side of the frame when the cylinder is fully open. If your revolver has been stamped either with a "2" or higher number after the basic three-digit model number or with an "M" above the model number, your revolver includes this improvement and does not need modification. If your revolver bears the model number 581, 586, 681, 686, or 581-1, 586-1, 681-1, 686-1, 686CS-1 without an "M" over the model number, it does not include this improvement and your should have your revolver modified.

Smith & Wesson will modify your L-frame revolver free of charge to eliminate the possibility of cylinder binding with .357 Magnum ammunition. Law enforcement agencies wishing to arrange for modification of L-frame revolvers should call 800-331-0852 between 9 A.M. and 6 P.M. Eastern time (MA residents call 413-734-8244). Other users should send their revolvers to a Smith & Wesson Warranty Service Center, specifying "L-frame improvement program" and enclosing their name and return address.

One of the modifications to improve the L-frame revolver is the installation of a new hammer nose. This obsoletes all old L-frame hammer noses (part numbers 4702 and 7513) and all old L-frame hammer assemblies (part numbers 3366, 3378, 3380, 3382, 3391, 4722, 4723, 4726 and 4728) in field parts inventories. Superseded parts should never be fitted into a modified revolver as this may result in malfunction. It is essential for safety that you return these obsolete L-frame hammer noses and obsolete L-frame hammer assemblies for a free exchange to:

Smith & Wesson
Service Department
2100 Roosevelt Avenue
Springfield, MA 01101
 
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Here's my 686-1 . It's a 4". I would consider that the M recall isnt really mandatory. Mine doesn't have it. And shoots well. So I heard the myth evolved around certain ammo. But call me crazy- but if you stick to specials or 158gr magnums, you should be ok. Mine will never see factory ammo anyways.
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"Cylinder binding can result from a number of causes, including characteristics of an individual revolver or the use of ammunition, which does not conform to industry pressure specifications or is particularly fast burning.

Recent developments in ammunition manufacture emphasize the production of .357 Magnum ammunition with increased velocity and greater primer sensitivity."


"there have been very few reported incidents of cylinder binding".

These are key elements of the recall notice that need to be heeded to keep the recall in perspective, as it's been morphed into much more, from all misinformation found on the internet forums.

The conditions resulting in the issue was due to a specific ammo brand (Federal, with softer primer cups) and loading (high velocity "self defense" type ammo, using a fast burning powder and light 110 gr. bullets).

The combination of the two resulted in primer flow back into the hole of the firing pin bushing.

Second, as the recall notice states "there have been very few reported incidents of cylinder binding".

The few reports received were from LE agencies, S&W could ill afford any "bad press" that could affect their LE sales as they were fighting the inroads Glock was making at the time, so they issued the recall to nip things in the bud.

Using standard weight .357 Magnum ammo without the "M" mod works just fine, and was never an issue.
 


I have two no dash M686s.

This 1983 6" is my favorite shooter with a High Patridge front sight, a Millet rear sight and some great trigger work.

I am a better shot with this one than with any other gun I own.



I also have a nice 1984 4" M686. Both pistols have had the "M" modification done.

Sending a gun back to S&W would be my last choice as far as having one repaired and from what I have read unless you're shooting really hot .357 loads there's no need to have the modification done.
 
Stumbled into a super clean Early 80's 686 No Dash. No box of coarse. AAK7XXX. Thought about passing due to no "M" modification. Does S&W still do the modification and since it probably won't be a duty gun or EDC would you even worry about getting it done. Not big on sending guns off, One never came back home. UPS ate it I guess.
Docbrazos,
I was apprehensive as well about sending mine in for the "M" modification, but S&W turned it around in less than a month. I was really impressed and glad I sent it. Sucks that you lost one once, the thought did go through my mind.
 
Stumbled into a super clean Early 80's 686 No Dash. No box of coarse. AAK7XXX. Thought about passing due to no "M" modification. Does S&W still do the modification and since it probably won't be a duty gun or EDC would you even worry about getting it done. Not big on sending guns off, One never came back home. UPS ate it I guess.



Hello dobrazos,

Yes, they are still doing the modification. I recently purchased a no dash 586 from 1983 without the modification and the gun's cylinder locked on me on my first shot of magnum load. I called S&W and they confirmed to me that they are doing the mod and sent me a shipping label.

Like you I'm considering whether it's worth sending the gun to them. I asked what is the modification they currently perform to ensure they were not switching any part of the gun to a MIM part and the rep went to ask one of the factory gunsmiths.

He said that nowadays they don't replace the hammer nose. (They probably don't have them in stock anymore.) The modification they do perform, according to the gunsmith, is to change the firing pin bushing to one made of titanium.

Hope this helps!

Cheers,
686PC
 
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My 686 no dash with 4" barrel has the "M" modification. Back in the day, we had a qualified gunsmith just down the road and it was easy to get the modification completed. Bought it new in 1986, and it has been shot. It's still my favorite, even though I can't shoot it as well as I once could. Smoothest action on any revolver I have ever held in my hand. I need to get photos of it with it's brothers, a 14-2 and a 27-2.

Have a blessed day,

Leon
 
I bought (used) 686 # AAF66xx in 1984. When the recall was announced I did send it to one of the listed authorized gunsmith's and had the replacement done. It had never locked up on be prior or after, but I didn't use nay hot 125 gr magnum loads. I knew of a couple others that did have guns lock up.
 
It's no myth!
I bought a 6" no-dash 686 brand new when it came out,
AND IT LOCKED UP THE FIRST TIME SHOT WITH FEDERAL 158GR JHP.
Took it back to the dealer, who sent it back to S&W for new bushing and firing pin nose. Still have it, still shoots fine.
 
Gorgeous guns, there, guys!
So, here's my ugly ducking, the "Bet Winner".
Yes, it's a 686-3. I think it dates to 1989 and therefore post-dates the ones covered by the recall. There is no "M" on it.
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I have a 686 no dash no M 4in and she runs great, I have run various types of ammo including BB 180gr, and underwoods extream penetrators... never an issue. Round count in my posession is about 500... wasn't much before me
 

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I have 586 no dash.

I asked:
I am from Finland and Smith & Wesson have not an importer in Finland.

I have an S&W M586 "no dash" revolver that apparently has not been repaired in a 1987 recall. There is no M mark on the weapon.

Can I safely shoot anyway?

S&W Answer:

Dear "G21.45ACP"
We would like to thank you for your e-mail and contacting Smith & Wesson / Thompson Center.

Not all revolvers manufactured in that timeframe need to have the recall done. If you are not experiencing any of the symptoms, then you should be fine.

Thank You for choosing Smith & Wesson / Thompson Center products. Have a great day.

Smith&Wesson values its customers and we are happy to have served you today. Please do not hesitate to contact us should you require further assistance.

Regards, Steve
 
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