I guess I don't understand. My kids carry cell phones . . .
Element of your Concealed Carry equipment?
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Not all cases end in administered deadly force leaving the offending individual dead or even shot.
Example A: Heaven forbid I miss and that miss instantly turns a deadly threat into a passive non-threat that has an articulate and vastly different story than mine when the police arrive. How hard is it for someone to have a plausible explanation for interaction with you and being in that area? A smart crook could have this loose end tied up. I try to never underestimate what I may be up against.
Example B: Worse still, I shoot and wound some "pillar of the community" that screams bloody murder and no longer poses a threat. Now I've got a screaming perp and a crowd of "witnesses" with a vastly different account of what really happened.
It isn't all sunshine and lollipops. It sucks and you had better get used to suboptimal situations, outcomes, maintaining a solemn attitude and an infinitesimal amount of patience. I shoot a lot and have a high skill level with a handgun, however I am prepared to deal with something other than a one shot stop. I also cheat and bring a second responsibly armed person with me a lot. Drives my odds of survival/AVOIDANCE way up and there's always two stories that match.
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But what did those people do to deserve to get shot?
There also what called an investigation. It doesn't just go by who called first. Why was the pillar of the community shot? What did he do?
A smart crook is probably already known to the police and if it's in my house he's he better have the deed to my house
Show me where a criminal got off by calling the police first
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With all that angst, you probably should carry pepper spray. Or maybe a stick . . .
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Haha, I'm not going to be carrying pepper spray, but a stick would be great if I were hiking. A futile attempt to illustrate situations where we could possibly be not the only voice in the ear of those asking questions during an investigation. I forget that we are all accosted by crackheads whilst in suits that drop dead as yesterday's news with one shot from the mousefart carry load of the week. I'm realistic about the sequence of events.
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I was always taught that I must exhaust all other means before using deadly force. Az has really fair gun laws but there is a requirement that must be fulfilled. And when the cops show up, the shooter will be the first one in cuffs. Good shoot or not. Ask me how I know.
Sounds familiar, though I do carry a small pocketknife every day. I know where my cellphone is (or think I do
) about 50-75% of the time - usually in the car. 
I'm realistic about the sequence of events.
Would that we all had that foresight . . .
I am surprised that no one has mentioned the second most important reason to have a cell phone...
It is to photograph the crime scene and witnesses.
After calling 911 I am not calling a lawyer. I am using my cellphone camera and video to document evidence and anyone standing nearby. Evidence can be picked up by someone and disappear before Police arrive. Likewise witnesses may not want to get involved and leave and other that were not present people can claim to be witnesses.
It is to photograph the crime scene and witnesses.
After calling 911 I am not calling a lawyer. I am using my cellphone camera and video to document evidence and anyone standing nearby. Evidence can be picked up by someone and disappear before Police arrive. Likewise witnesses may not want to get involved and leave and other that were not present people can claim to be witnesses.
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I would carry a cell phone whether I was armed, or not. I don't plan on being in a shooting, but am prepared. My cell phone most likely emergency use would be if I had another heart attack.
As far as getting arrested, not my major concern, getting convicted is a major concern. My favorite attorney has given some good advice. First is KYBMS/Keep Your Big Mouth Shut. It is better to spend a few hours, or a couple of days in jail then years in jail. As far as staying in jail you are either justified, or you are not. Who makes the call makes no difference.
As far as getting arrested, not my major concern, getting convicted is a major concern. My favorite attorney has given some good advice. First is KYBMS/Keep Your Big Mouth Shut. It is better to spend a few hours, or a couple of days in jail then years in jail. As far as staying in jail you are either justified, or you are not. Who makes the call makes no difference.
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A person does not need a cell phone for that. There are different forms of very small camcorders that are not expensive. I would prefer that any evidence be seen by the attorney first. The police are most likely going to take your cell phone once on the scene.
You walk around with a camcorder in the hopes that you will record an incident and it won't be seized by police?
Arik
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I don't know any normal person who just up and decides to attack someone just because. There are people who commit bad acts while drunk, there are bad guys but there is no normal citizen who just up and decides to rob you on the street.Haha, I'm not going to be carrying pepper spray, but a stick would be great if I were hiking. A futile attempt to illustrate situations where we could possibly be not the only voice in the ear of those asking questions during an investigation. I forget that we are all accosted by crackheads whilst in suits that drop dead as yesterday's news with one shot from the mousefart carry load of the week. I'm realistic about the sequence of events.
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Always have my cell phone.
OK. How do you know?
Rastoff
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It's kinda a weird question. I mean, I don't feel the need to conceal my phone.
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Carry my phone when going out .. have it set that when its turned on my video app comes on and with one press I am taping and videoing everything going on .. If a defensive situation does happen and shots are fired that tape may be a deciding factor in your case whether you will be charged or not ..
If my wife is with me she will video anyone there in the area that may be a witness and any cars or other identifying things and a video of the face of anyone that is there .. and especially anyone leaving .. especially if that person seems to be in a great hurry to leave the scene !! that person could well be in with the Perp you have just dealt with .. always watch your back .. another thing my wife will do .. she will be the eyes in the back of my head .. warning me of anyone approaching .. she will continue to record even after police arrive as you will want a video recording of that also .. I will be on my phone to the Emergency Operator (911)
As others have said people have lied about being at a crime scene and about where they were and what transpired and what they saw .. so a sound and video recording of what happened the area and people that are there can be very helpfully if your case has to go to a court of law ..
If my wife is with me she will video anyone there in the area that may be a witness and any cars or other identifying things and a video of the face of anyone that is there .. and especially anyone leaving .. especially if that person seems to be in a great hurry to leave the scene !! that person could well be in with the Perp you have just dealt with .. always watch your back .. another thing my wife will do .. she will be the eyes in the back of my head .. warning me of anyone approaching .. she will continue to record even after police arrive as you will want a video recording of that also .. I will be on my phone to the Emergency Operator (911)
As others have said people have lied about being at a crime scene and about where they were and what transpired and what they saw .. so a sound and video recording of what happened the area and people that are there can be very helpfully if your case has to go to a court of law ..
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shouldazagged
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Got kind of testy in here.
I'm almost eighty, my health is very poor and deteriorating, and I drive an old car. I have a wealth of reasons to carry my little non-smart flip phone besides self defense.
So I do. I don't walk out my door without a gun, a one-hand-opening knife (ever try to cut a seat belt when you're in it?), my rescue inhaler, and the phone. There's also a small flashlight on my key ring.
All this is on my person, not in my car. I'm not, repeat, not paranoid. But I'm old and ill and vulnerable, and have amassed some wisdom the hard way.
I'm almost eighty, my health is very poor and deteriorating, and I drive an old car. I have a wealth of reasons to carry my little non-smart flip phone besides self defense.
So I do. I don't walk out my door without a gun, a one-hand-opening knife (ever try to cut a seat belt when you're in it?), my rescue inhaler, and the phone. There's also a small flashlight on my key ring.
All this is on my person, not in my car. I'm not, repeat, not paranoid. But I'm old and ill and vulnerable, and have amassed some wisdom the hard way.
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Well...........
When I used to have a cell phone, it didn't take pics. No camera. It was a tracfone and would not get any reception unless you were standing right under a tower. My son has a cell phone, a smart phone and his bill is around 200 a month. I don't want to spend that much. I seem to have lived 66 years without a cell phone and for many of those years no phone at all. No land line or radio type phone. I would never shoot someone that didn't CLEARLY need it and since everyone seems to have a phone, maybe I could borrow one. I just don't want one really. I would forget it like everything else. I do remember the gun though. Even bullets sometimes. I have stuck a stun gun in my pocket a couple of times when I was at a place that was known for trouble. I know, I'm just and old guy with old fashioned ways. I should go get a cell phone tomorrow........but I ain't. Maybe like this in .45 ACP.
Peace,
Gordon
When I used to have a cell phone, it didn't take pics. No camera. It was a tracfone and would not get any reception unless you were standing right under a tower. My son has a cell phone, a smart phone and his bill is around 200 a month. I don't want to spend that much. I seem to have lived 66 years without a cell phone and for many of those years no phone at all. No land line or radio type phone. I would never shoot someone that didn't CLEARLY need it and since everyone seems to have a phone, maybe I could borrow one. I just don't want one really. I would forget it like everything else. I do remember the gun though. Even bullets sometimes. I have stuck a stun gun in my pocket a couple of times when I was at a place that was known for trouble. I know, I'm just and old guy with old fashioned ways. I should go get a cell phone tomorrow........but I ain't. Maybe like this in .45 ACP.
Peace,
Gordon
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