Elmer Keith's Family.

"Articles of this quality are seldom seen today "
Truer words were never spoken .
I read an article on the 38 Special in the latest "Handloader Magazine " by a fellow who has been reloading it for over 50 years ... there were exactly 0 loads in the article ...Nada , Zip ...none, what a waste ...
You would think after 50 years he could publish a few of his "pet" loads .

I miss Skeeter Skelton too ... he always had some good info .
Gary
 
"Articles of this quality are seldom seen today "
Truer words were never spoken .
I read an article on the 38 Special in the latest "Handloader Magazine " by a fellow who has been reloading it for over 50 years ... there were exactly 0 loads in the article ...Nada , Zip ...none, what a waste ...
You would think after 50 years he could publish a few of his "pet" loads .

I miss Skeeter Skelton too ... he always had some good info .
Gary


I suspect that "liability" is the reason for no load data - nobody wants to get sued.... :(
 
Have a few interesting Keith items to share:

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I read the same article in Handloader the other day and thought "Damn Mike just phoned this one in". Normally I like most of his writing but this one just smacked of being either hurried or lazy. Maybe the editor requested a set number of words to fill a blank spot in the magazine.



"Articles of this quality are seldom seen today "
Truer words were never spoken .
I read an article on the 38 Special in the latest "Handloader Magazine " by a fellow who has been reloading it for over 50 years ... there were exactly 0 loads in the article ...Nada , Zip ...none, what a waste ...
You would think after 50 years he could publish a few of his "pet" loads .

I miss Skeeter Skelton too ... he always had some good info .
Gary
 
I am going to the gun room now and dig out my copy of
Hell I was There .......been 20 years since I read it.
I remember thinking..."this is the best best book I ever read".
Guess I like it so much because I could relate to a lot of
it as my parents were born on a farm and had no electricity
no running water and farmed with horses.
 
I suspect that "liability" is the reason for no load data - nobody wants to get sued.... :(

That could be; I don't really know and I'm pretty sure many others don't know either, but "liability" is mentioned more frequently than anything else because everyone's read that over the years. Probably some truth to that, but how much?

Perhaps the method of pressure measurement is more accurate today than it was in the past. This factor alone may have significant bearing on current published data. Most, maybe all, published load data from reputable sources is pressure tested today.

That hasn't always happened. Some published load manual data was worked up in the same manner many handloaders use, citing pressure signs like flattened primers, case head expansion, and other methods that have since proven to be less than reliable in many instances.
 
This is all very interesting to me. I believe Ted helped with the guiding and there is a picture of him with a pack string in Sixguns, I believe. Skeeter had most of the parts for the SAA he built for Bart in his War Bag some were Christy I think. He said in the article that he wanted to have the hammer re-case hardened but there was a 50% failure rate and he had it blued and the sides polished instead. Colt SAA parts were hard to find then. I miss most of the writers mentioned here and Dean Grinnell too. I'll be 69 in June most of my mentors have gone on. Thanx for helping me remember...........
 
good memories

Many thanks to Gregor for filling in the family details, however sad to read. I have several of the books Elmer sent me, with the nice handwritten notes. Great informative ways to remember one of our heroes. Glad I got to see the display at Cabela's in Boise before it was taken away. I have enjoyed circling back to loading and shooting .44s w/ "Keith bullets" after years of messing around with the more "modern" guns.
 
North Powder Oregon each year the farmers allowed small groups of hunters on the farms to kill off the overpopulated Townsend ground squirrels. Grandpa Elmer and my dad Ted took me when I was 7 and Elmer gave me a .22 Marlin semi auto rifle with a big scope. But I was born legally blind and animals hard to hit so Elmer got angry and told everyone to be quiet and stop the truck. From the top of the old International truck he taught me how to breathe then squeeze the trigger and my target was down. After that dad gave me a box of 500 22 long and said don't shoot at any people. I
was on my own Safari hunting for the giant ground squirrels of North Powder Oregon.
 
"*** **** liberals crying about their kids all the time should be quiet!" Elmer would say that after watching the news and didnt like people talking about their kids all the time. Elmers and Ted Keith were very close and Ted Keith spent his whole life hunting and shooting and when Elmer passed away he spent ten years rasising morny for the Elmer Keith mueum foundation to preserve his fathers hunting trophies and firearm collection. He aslo tought me everything I know about guns and hunting but Ted was married with three daughters that were all anti gun liberals but he refused to sell any of his dads guns until 2015 when he was diagnosed with Parkinsons. The guns sold for just under two million dollars and he tried to divied the money evenly but too much greed and hate from those girls led to a divorce after 58 years of marriage. Ted passed away last year and was burried nest to his father,mother and sister in Salmon. Ted loved his dad so much he had kept the little ranch on the Northfork of Salmon where he grew up but its being sold now too. Greedy liberals selling his guns,gold and ranch but part of him lives on in me and my son the last Keith.

It's really interesting reading your perspective being that you are Elmer's Grandson. Pretty amazing. The part about Ted's LIBERAL daughters really hit home and struck a chord with me in that we parents have to be very cognizant of what our children believe and what their being taught and by whom - or our children will end up just as Ted's daughters did. Thanks for posting here Gregor -
 
I remember George Nonte also remember ah,er...old whats his name..the "Gain Twist" guy.
Harry Pope!
 
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Theodore Keith Obituary
Theodore "Ted" Keith
1935 ~ 2019
Theodore Frank Keith – A Life Well Lived
Theodore "Ted" Keith was born in Salmon, ID on December 6, 1935 to Elmer Merrifield Keith and Lorraine Katherine Randall Keith. He grew up on a ranch near North Fork by the Salmon River Primitive area, still maintained by his family today. Big responsibilities rested on young shoulders as he began hunting and packing for the family at age 12. They lived off the land without modern conveniences for many years, and later moved to Salmon and "city life." Ted spent summers working for the U.S. Forest Service as both a Fire Lookout and Smoke Jumper (40 fires), and served in the U.S. Army Reserve for seven years, earning the rank of sergeant first class. He also earned his Bachelor's Degree in Accounting at the University of Idaho, Moscow, and later his CPA and CIA.
He married Betty Heuck in 1960, worked initially for Roseburg Lumber Company, OR, then a Boise Cascade division in St. Paul, MN, before settling in Boise, ID. He next served as Director of Internal Audit for Boise State University for 30 years, until he retired. Professionally Ted was also a member, then president of the National Association for Internal Auditors. The couple had four children, and over time relocated to Sand Hollow, ID.
Ted's father Elmer was a noted hunter, author and firearms pioneer, and passed on a love of the outdoors and hunting to his son. Ted bagged bear, deer, elk, moose, antelope, ducks, pheasants, geese and wild boar. "The older I get, the smaller the game I pack out," was a favorite sentiment. Ted stewarded Elmer's big game trophy collection, firearms, and personal memorabilia, and worked with Cabelas to establish an Elmer Keith museum in Boise for many years.
Ted was also a 62-year member of Lemhi Masonic Lodge No. 11 in Salmon, Idaho. He additionally served as Potentate of the El Korah Shrine in Boise, helping support the twenty-two Shriners Hospitals for Children ®.
During his life Ted's travels included the UK, Italy, China, Canada, and more than a dozen U.S. cities, but never found country as beautiful as his home state. He enjoyed fishing, boating, camping, hiking, and spending time with his children and grandchildren. He also doted on his vintage car collection of Model Ts and Cadillacs, noting "my art collection includes classic things on wheels."
In recent years he suffered from Parkinson's disease, and passed away from complications on September 1st at age 83, eight months, while in home hospice with his daughter Heidi. He was preceded in death by his sister Dru Keith, and survived by his daughters Heather, Heidi, Holly, and son Gregor; grandsons Josh, Andrew, Damian and Connor; and granddaughters Sarah, Madison and Ashlyn.
A Vigil will be held Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at Summers Funeral Home, 1205 W. Bannock St., Boise during the hours of 5-8pm.
A Celebration of Life will be held at Summers Funeral Home, 1205 W. Bannock St., Boise, on September 12, at 10 am, followed by a luncheon reception at the Boise El Korah Shrine Temple, 1118 W. Idaho St. Final interment with Ted's father, mother and sister takes place September 14, 1 pm, at the Salmon Cemetery, South Salmon on Cemetery Road overlooking the Bitterroot Mountain Range, which Ted considered the Alps of America.
In lieu of flowers, donations can be made online in Memory of Ted Keith to the Shriners Hospital for Children in Portland, donate.lovetotherescue.org, or contact 503-241-5090.
 
Families seems to fade out after 3-4, at most 5 g.enerations. Read about the Bach family in music. And battles over inheritances and estates are probably the No.1 cause of family estrangement.
 
Families seems to fade out after 3-4, at most 5 g.enerations. Read about the Bach family in music. And battles over inheritances and estates are probably the No.1 cause of family estrangement.

Children and grandchildren have free will so we have no control over their direction.

Just like in "Yellowstone". Do they want the ranch lifestyle or cashout? When the Patriarch of a very wealthy Utah family died. They sold their mega-ranch. His elderly wife bought a multi million dollar condo in Manhattan. One of their children bought an estate in Honolulu. The other in Florida. After 100+ years in Utah no one lives there now.
 
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North Powder Oregon each year the farmers allowed small groups of hunters on the farms to kill off the overpopulated Townsend ground squirrels. Grandpa Elmer and my dad Ted took me when I was 7 and Elmer gave me a .22 Marlin semi auto rifle with a big scope. But I was born legally blind and animals hard to hit so Elmer got angry and told everyone to be quiet and stop the truck. From the top of the old International truck he taught me how to breathe then squeeze the trigger and my target was down. After that dad gave me a box of 500 22 long and said don't shoot at any people. I
was on my own Safari hunting for the giant ground squirrels of North Powder Oregon.
I was always a fan of your grandfather and his writing. When I got my first Model 29 in 1971 I thought I had graduated into the big league!
I was working for AT&T at the time and had free access to the long distance circuits. So, I did the logical thing and called Elmer for loading instructions. We talked like old friends for over a half hour. He was very cordial and told me to call any time.
Wish I could have met him face to face.
 
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