Employer Code of Conduct question

In Texas a vehicle is considered an extension of the home or ones property. Anything that can be legally owned and stored at your house can be stored in your vehicle. If Wyoming considers vehicles in a similar way you should be in your legal right to have your gun in there.
 
Tennessee recently passed Guns in Parking Lots which allows guns to be legally stored in cars in public and private parking areas. But that just pertains to criminal law. An employer may have their own policy. If an employer chooses to ban guns on their property that's their business. It's just not a crime as far as Tennessee is concerned.
 
OP, here's the FL statute allowing firearms in vehicles at work. It's too long to post in entirety, but do Google FS 790.251 and read it all. It goes well beyond merely allowing lawful vehicle storage. (There are exceptions.)

790.251 Protection of the right to keep and bear arms in motor vehicles for self-defense and other lawful purposes; prohibited acts; duty of public and private employers; immunity from liability; enforcement.—
 
WORK & GUNS

As a former visiting RN, work took us to some shady areas at all times of day & night. The corporate policy was as suspected. MANY people disregarded the policy, being fully aware of the consequences. BE SURE concealed means concealed & KEEP IT STRICTLY TO YOURSELF! Trust NOBODY with this secret. Complaining about the policy is almost as good as admitting you are carrying or have a gun in your car. Leaving a gun in your car all day while you work IMO is an invitation for a break in & theft, especially if you have bumper stickers/or otherwise advertise pro gun beliefs. If other non gun employees know your feelings & suspect you have a gun in the car, they may tell the adm or a thief exactly which car is likely to have a gun in it. If you are gonna leave a gun in your car/truck unattended I'd be sure to have it secured well with a chain/padlock or safe/box, & have it NOT be one of my most expensive/favorites.
 
I do understand about not complaining about such a policy as a way to avoid unnecessary scrutiny, but if no one speaks up then what happens?

I would request a detailed explanation as to how the employer plans to keep all of the employees safe from any individual who chooses to commit crimes against the employees either in the building or the parking lot or on their way to or from work? Is the company providing armed guards and metal detectors to ensure that no one with ill intent can place their employees in harms way since the employer has chosen to make them vulnerable?

Of course cases like the Naval Yard show that even an armed security check point is not foolproof. But the point is that you can spend all day on feel good measures and asking the polite people not to bring the scary guns to work - but what positive steps are you taking to ensure that the bad guys are excluding from doing the same - because wishful thinking doesn't cut it.
 
i'll add...last friday, my employers fired a person who was habitually late and always had reasons to leave early...they gave him the news at the end of his shift at 3pm...we have electronic locks on all doors that require a key fob for entry. his was taken from him. shortly before 5pm, he managed to get back into the building to ask for another chance. there were many comments afterwards how bad the situation could have gone, as well as many people saying they wish thy had a gun...mine was locked in my car. he was out of the building before i knew anything about the situation.
 
Never tell, never allow anyone in your vehicle. Never complain, never explain - problem solved.

That's all well and good, as long as it works. Should it ever be discovered that you have violated company policy in this regard, you could be summarily fired. I assume you aren't a union employee, and without any grievance process, or an agreed arbitration process (if one is stated in your employee handbook) then your recourse is to sue, and that may take 2 or 3 years to resolve. In that case, you'll probably have to pay a lawyer a retainer (not a contingency, but one might take it on that basis) and you'll be unemployed...and with a record of being terminated for violating a workplace rule, when it comes to prospective employers checking your references. (Your employer may not actually tell anyone that...many, on the advice of the legal department, do not characterize the nature of your employment, but merely confirm the dates of employment, job title and duties, and salary.)

I know it goes against the grain to have your 2A rights restricted, but it's not good advice to violate a workplace rule when that could result in your termination. The better approach is to work to have state law changed or implemented, like other states have done. Perhaps you could also form an employee committee and work with company management to change this rule, if they would be amenable to that...you could show them the states that now have laws that prohibit employers from making such rules. Not knowing the climate and culture of your employer, though, I don't know if they'd be receptive to that approach.
 
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NEVER: volunteer for anything. DO NOT teach someone else how to do your job, that will be willing to do it for less $. If you want to make changes/waves & rail against THE MAN, have another job already lined up, that won't ask for a reference from your last employer.
 
In this sense I love my job. Our code of conduct is.....show up, at least act sober, look semi presentable and do your job......everything else is irrelevant, within reason. I used to get ammo shipments to work but got tired of dragging several thousand rounds to my car and then back out and into the house. Just yesterday I got my AK74 parts kit shipped to work and was checking out the parts on my desk.

Of course I would love a higher pay and better benefits

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"Ask any question you want - I'll answer it, but you gotta live with the answer" - Jimmy Hoffa ( he couldn't keep his mouth shut and it cost him). I carried concealed for 30+ years - no one ever knew it. No bumper stickers with pro weapons slogans or manufacturers logos, no NRA stickers, no "this vehicle is insured by S&W" type nonsense. Therefore, no inquiries, investigations, or some corporate monkey asking to look in my car / truck.
 
That's all well and good, as long as it works. Should it ever be discovered that you have violated company policy in this regard, you could be summarily fired. I assume you aren't a union employee, and without any grievance process, or an agreed arbitration process (if one is stated in your employee handbook) then your recourse is to sue, and that may take 2 or 3 years to resolve. In that case, you'll probably have to pay a lawyer a retainer (not a contingency, but one might take it on that basis) and you'll be unemployed...and with a record of being terminated for violating a workplace rule, when it comes to prospective employers checking your references. (Your employer may not actually tell anyone that...many, on the advice of the legal department, do not characterize the nature of your employment, but merely confirm the dates of employment, job title and duties, and salary.)

I know it goes against the grain to have your 2A rights restricted, but it's not good advice to violate a workplace rule when that could result in your termination. The better approach is to work to have state law changed or implemented, like other states have done. Perhaps you could also form an employee committee and work with company management to change this rule, if they would be amenable to that...you could show them the states that now have laws that prohibit employers from making such rules. Not knowing the climate and culture of your employer, though, I don't know if they'd be receptive to that approach.

Rather be unemployed than the alternative.
 
Rather be unemployed than the alternative.

Well, that's your choice...I hope you have enough money to pay your bills, support your family, buy food, pay for insurance, meet medical expenses, and all the other things that a job typically allows you to do. If you are financially secure without a job, good for you...if you need a job to provide for yourself and your family, then I'd say your attitude was immature and irresponsible.

I don't mean to offend you personally, but I just feel like there are times when we have to consider ALL the ramifications of our actions...and if losing your job will hurt your family, I think you should seriously consider that before you risk being fired over not being able to have your gun in your car at work.
 
Your absolutely right - it is your choice and yours alone. I made my choice and it was good for the many years I carried without a problem.
It wasn't immature or irresponsible - it was my decision to make and I made it. Your decision is yours - I may not agree with it- but it's not up to me to dictate the way you run your life. That said, I look at all the violence in the work place and wonder how many more people are going to be killed and injured in the coming years and companies restricting employees the means to fight back because of some attorney in the corporate office thinks it's a good idea.
 
That's all well and good, as long as it works. Should it ever be discovered that you have violated company policy in this regard, you could be summarily fired. I assume you aren't a union employee, and without any grievance process, or an agreed arbitration process (if one is stated in your employee handbook) then your recourse is to sue, and that may take 2 or 3 years to resolve. In that case, you'll probably have to pay a lawyer a retainer (not a contingency, but one might take it on that basis) and you'll be unemployed...and with a record of being terminated for violating a workplace rule, when it comes to prospective employers checking your references. (Your employer may not actually tell anyone that...many, on the advice of the legal department, do not characterize the nature of your employment, but merely confirm the dates of employment, job title and duties, and salary.)

I know it goes against the grain to have your 2A rights restricted, but it's not good advice to violate a workplace rule when that could result in your termination. The better approach is to work to have state law changed or implemented, like other states have done. Perhaps you could also form an employee committee and work with company management to change this rule, if they would be amenable to that...you could show them the states that now have laws that prohibit employers from making such rules. Not knowing the climate and culture of your employer, though, I don't know if they'd be receptive to that approach.

As a former union vice president I want you all to know that employee protection should be a priority if injustice is done.
Unfortunate for us all are the facts.
There is always a way to skirt the rules.
Being FIRED on construction projects happens for only a couple of reasons.
1. Drugs or alcohol use or failing testing. Includes refusal to test.
2. Safety violations.
The most common termination is the R.O.F. reduction of force. AKA lay off. It is not gievable. They just don't need you and you are history. Then comes the right to refuse an employee. Almost no recourse here either.

Back to the subject of weapons in cars at work. I am not sure about Wisconsin. Things have changed and I am no longer working.

Federal laws were my biggest pain while working nuclear jobs.
Weapons and ammo were not permitted. Same on some chemical plants , refineries, schools and other government projects or properties. Plus military bases of course.

Where to safely stow your iron at work is a huge concern. I don't like leaving it in a hotel room. Though I have. I put the do not disturb sign up to keep the maid out of the in this case. Then cable lock the safe to the bed frame.
OH the joy of being road trash
Yes we must push to legislate for our rights. So contact your elected reps.
 
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OP:

Spend some money on a lawyer in your state to give you advice on this question.

Much of the advice you get on legal issues on an Internet forum is worth exactly what you paid for it.
 
In Texas a vehicle is considered an extension of the home or ones property. Anything that can be legally owned and stored at your house can be stored in your vehicle. If Wyoming considers vehicles in a similar way you should be in your legal right to have your gun in there.

I found this site with information on Texas Law. Some employers may or may not have complied with it.
NRA-ILA | Texas Senate Criminal Justice Committee Holds Hearing on Employer Compliance With NRA-Backed Parking Lot Protection Bill

I do remember that it was awhile back that Texas passed this law, Sen Bill 321. Unfortunately that does not extend to Federal Property in Texas.
 
I never said that I am, or intend to, breaking my employers rule.

I do not agree with the rule, which is why I am asking about it here. I was seeking the knowledge of those who are more informed than I am. In the last couple of days I have learned more here than I could find on my own, and received some good advice(and some questionable).

I have a good job. It affords me a good amount of time off work, I can pay for all of my bills & expensive hobbies, along with a good benefit package including healthcare & retirement. I plan to keep it. :)
 
As a former union vice president I want you all to know that employee protection should be a priority if injustice is done.

My assumption about the OP perhaps not being a union employee was intended to differentiate that if the employee is covered by a union/contract, usually there are steps or progressive discipline that must be taken, and a grievance and arbitration process, that avails a terminated employee recourse other than the court.
 
Corporate "rules" against firearms in the parking lot are written by the corporate LAWYER's.................

Because, IF the company "allows" firearms to be on their property AND an employee uses that firearm to harm other employees................guess who gets BLAMED for letting the firearm on the property in the first place!!!

Same thing should happen when the bad guy shoots employees who do NOT have the means of self defense... SUE the company out of existence..............
 

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