Enfields - #4 Mk2

[R Cubed]

Any Enfield folk here. There is an Enfield I'm researching and cannot find any data - I have pix I'll post if someone can help.

Thanks,
Rick

 

[sureshotbob]

Rick what do you need to know? I've got a few. gunboards .com or surplusrifle.com can answer anything.

 

[lyman]

Rick what do you need to know? I've got a few. gunbourds .co or surplusrifle.com can answer anything.

+1 for gunboards,

and Jouster.com

I've got a few myself, and a copy of skennertons

 

[Faulkner]

I've got a mint No4 MKII. One of the so called "Irish finds" because they found a bunch of new ones stored in a warehouse in Ireland about 20 years ago.

 

[Faulkner]

Oh, that brings back memories. When those Irish Enfields were available I had an FFL and bought several..... and sold them all! I've kicked myself several times for not keeping one. Man they were nice once the cosmoline was cleaned off! Still in wrapping paper. Congratulations Faulkner for keeping that one.
Bob

You're right, this one was still in the wrap and cosmoline. The wrap was some kind of cheese cloth or mesh, took me a couple of days to get it cleaned up. Seems I paid $79.00 for it.

 

[Jellybean]

I don't know a lot about them, but I do own four of them. The .303 is a really interesting caliber to experiment with.

 

[R Cubed]

Here are a few pixs - Seems there should be more numbers on the receiver. Rifle wood is just as shown, I have found no serial numbers only the #4 MK2 and what I believe is a date code

 

[rangemaster]

I bought one at my local dunham's sports. It has a 4 groove barrel but only had the two aperature sight. I scored an adjustable on eBay. I wish I had more time to shoot it. It seems promising. Man I wish I could find one of those "Irish" guns.

 

[GyMac]

I know this is terrible, but ... I bought a #4 MkII over 20 years ago for $69. Still in the cosmoline. Shot it a little bit, found out the tang on the stock was cracked - no big deal. I put it in the safe where it sat for years. Then, a few years ago I pulled it out, put it in a synthetic stock and had a gunsmith cut the barrel to around 20 inches. I fixed a really small washer on to the battle sight and adjusted it to hit point of aim with my chosen big game load. It's light and handy, and although I spoiled a military collectible, it is my favorite rifle and I love it. To me it has more character than the newest, fanciest production rifle.

 

[GatorFarmer]

I've got a mint No4 MKII. One of the so called "Irish finds" because they found a bunch of new ones stored in a warehouse in Ireland about 20 years ago.

I remember buying one of those when I was in college. It would have been 1995 or 1996. There was still a metal ID tag of some sort behind the trigger on mine. I found mine at a gunshow and paid something like 200 dollars.

 

[Texas Star]

The poor pics do look like this one is a No 4 MK 1 converted to Mk II status. No 4 Mk I/2. The pivot mount for the trigger is the main difference, and many older rifles were converted.

T-Star

 

[R Cubed]

Why cannot I find a serial number on this rifle? Where Endfields produced without numbers? This is perplexing!!

 

[walnutred]

Is one of the many "Khyber Pass" variations?

 

[2152hq]

I'll be the first to admit that I don't know #4 Enfields that well, as I have collected the earlier #1 and Long Lees,,but I think the rifle is a manufactured No4Mk2 as the marking says.

I don't think it's one of the earlier No4Mk1 converted to Mk2 status as the marking would be No4Mk1/2. Plus a conversion would have been FTR'd at the time of conversion and been marked on the left side.

As far as the ser#,,,it should have a prefix.
One used was an 'A' and if that slash before the 2145 is in fact a poorly stamped 'A',,,that could be the ser#.
The number '1' stamped before the 'A' I'm not sure about. Perhaps they ran the numbers up the 9999 and then added a number in front of the prefix letter and started over again.
I believe other #4 production used that type of # system.
All just a guess of course!

The trigger modification is the main change done to the No4Mk2 rifle from the earlier No4Mk1 rifles. The missing steel reinforceing strap at the rear of the forend is one way to recognize them as it is left off because of the new trigger bolster on the rec'vr inside.
The side to side reinforcement bolt at the rear of the forend was retained with a small cutout inside for it's passage.


Enfields are addicting!

 

[R Cubed]

I'll be the first to admit that I don't know #4 Enfields that well, as I have collected the earlier #1 and Long Lees,,but I think the rifle is a manufactured No4Mk2 as the marking says.

I don't think it's one of the earlier No4Mk1 converted to Mk2 status as the marking would be No4Mk1/2. Plus a conversion would have been FTR'd at the time of conversion and been marked on the left side.

As far as the ser#,,,it should have a prefix.
One used was an 'A' and if that slash before the 2145 is in fact a poorly stamped 'A',,,that could be the ser#.
The number '1' stamped before the 'A' I'm not sure about. Perhaps they ran the numbers up the 9999 and then added a number in front of the prefix letter and started over again.
I believe other #4 production used that type of # system.
All just a guess of course!

The trigger modification is the main change done to the No4Mk2 rifle from the earlier No4Mk1 rifles. The missing steel reinforceing strap at the rear of the forend is one way to recognize them as it is left off because of the new trigger bolster on the rec'vr inside.
The side to side reinforcement bolt at the rear of the forend was retained with a small cutout inside for it's passage.


Enfields are addicting!

I've look at that number till I went cross-eyed - I think it may read 4/2145 - or you may be corfrect it is an "A" reading A/2145. The same numbers are stamped on the buttstock. The wood sure has character!

 

[nostraDONus]

I bought mine about 18 years ago at a surplus shop for $125. Beautiful looking gun. Haven't fired it yet, but had a gunsmith check it out in case I did. He was impressed with the condition.

 

[Beauetienne]

I'm also a fan of MK 2's.