Engraved SW n° 1 1/2 new model

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Hi

I just bought this engraved SW in a local auction in France.

The engraving is very, very well done et I think it's factory.

In books, I find pictures very similar of a SW Young engraved.

What do think about this engraving ?

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Nice! I'm often wrong about S&W factory engraving and I will reserve my opinion but I do like the engraving.
 
Wonderful Traveling Case!

Lechat,
That is a Fabulous find!
If you will permit me, I'd like to give you my opinion of this most excellent piece?

The first thing I'm seeing is a French Style original "Traveling Case". These were designed for that specific reason. The owner was on the road often and needed a pistol for various reasons. So the piece was definitely carried both in the case and on ones person. So, in my opinion the Gun was definitely cased in France. I can also see the remains of the leather handle strap.

More evidence is seen with the right side of the gun face up? The gun pointing to the right? Distributor cases both Traveling and wood desk top cases manufactured in the USA the vast majority of the ones I've seen over the years the gun points to the left with the left side face up. Also, the oiler and cartridges are obviously European(Paris) and fit the case perfectly.
So, that's just more proof that it's a European cased Smith & Wesson early model 1 1/2 in 32 rimfire.

Let's also remember that the finest art originates from Europe. Paintings etc. So when I look at the elegant engraving it follows a European pattern in my opinion. The very distinct boarder surrounding the swirl vine engraving? Also the clam shell on the backstrap? I've seen this style on both Young engraved and European so that's kind of a dead end.

The grips in my opinion have been replaced. I think the original grips were likely Pearl or Ivory and were badly damaged from use over the many years of being carried while traveling about.

We can go further with the evaluation if you remove the grips and look for Distributor stamps. Number and Letters stamped under the grips on the iron frame? If you're lucky there might be a name stamped there?

Also, what would work in your favor as far as a Factory engraving? If there are "NO" proof marks on the cylinder "in the flutes" or on the frame, barrel? Please look closely.

Very lovely piece. Congratulations on finding this one!

My gut feeling on this one is that it was sent to a Distributor in France and the work was performed there only because it looks more like a custom full coverage class A' type engraving (individual order) instead of a contract engraving that involves several guns ordered by a Distributor in France based on a fixed design pattern from the factory via contract , but I'd like to see more information on the grip frame stamps and any proof marks before I commit to that position. European engravers liked to sign their work. "Show offs"!

Murph
 
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Thanks for your help

No proof marks anywhere but it's normal for a gun dealed in France.

Only in UK and Belgium a new proofmark was a obligation in the 19° century.

The problem is that I have no history about this gun.

It's not very rare to find a SW cased by Claudin who import a lot of Smith § Wesson.

I have others SW like my n°2 but with provenance:

http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-antiques/524252-my-new-sw-n-2-cased.html?524252=#post139626113

This one come from a auction (a old collector who passed) and the revolver possibly come after market in the case.

Maybe this one was sold in the USA, I don't know ...

The grips are used but originals (You're wright, it's not logic ..).

Usualy, the revolvers are marked "Fni par Claudin". This one nothing, but it's full engraved !

So, the style of engraving could certainly help me: american or french ?
 
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European Engraving

Lechat

See photos of confirmed Young Engraved Cartridge Revolvers of the same period.

This is just my opinion based on what I've seen over the years. You can see a distinct pattern of confirmed Factory engraved (Young) S&Ws.

I'm not saying that yours is not factory engraved. Anything is possible. My opinion is that this person had a lot of money and special ordered the gun and case as one purchase from a Distributor in France. Let's also remember that traveling cases are extremely rare! Both in the US and Europe! Desk top cases are way more common! This also supports that this is an " ALL original" special order set!

Notice the frame engraving has an engraved boarder?
I've seen that on European engraved revolvers but normally it is not found on American engraved Antique "cartridge revolvers."

Earlier cap & Ball most definitely Yes but not cartridge. European engravers seemed to prefer the boarder surrounding the engraving. That's just my observation so that's what is driving my opinion of a special individual order by a wealthy traveler.

The lack of proof and view marks is a good sign that the gun was shipped directly to France which in my opinion supports again that the gun was not just put in this traveling case? It was part of a special order initiated and completed in France.

Murph
 

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Thanks Murph for all your intéressons observations.

I agree with you ans it's possibly a European Work for rich people.

The retailer Claudin was establshed in Paris with fortunate clients as industrial, military or political.

Claudin sold a lot of Smith and Wesson, Colt and Webley with special order as cases, stocks or engravings.

So I happy to have a nice case and I will try to find ivory grips.
 
Really nice piece you have there ... it's one I'd proudly add to my collection.

I trust you're going to factory letter this gun? That would tell you for certain what the gun's factory configuration was. My guess is that the engraving was not done by Gus, but it's anyone's guess once it got into the various distributors' hands (and in this case, it probably went to Storrs / Robinson first, then on to Claudin).

I agree with BMur about the case; it's almost certainly European in manufacture.

Mike
 
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