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Does the 7 round mag pinky extension make the gun print anymore than with the flat base? I do like the 7 round mag
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And I will get an uplula! I've seen the name a million times, it must be good. I would love too get a grip but I like the thinness of the tub stock for carry and shooting isn't too bad, but maybe that will change. I do like the fullness of my walther grip single stack...
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I think there's little way to predict how specific one pistol will print compared with another. My experience is that it depends on the pistol (including size of the magazine and extension, if any), holster, cant (inclination of the pistol in the holster), location & positioning on the body (IWB vs OWB vs ankle, etc.), the person's form (tall, short, skinny, large, etc.), the clothing (light, heavy, layered, tight, loose, etc.) and I've probably not listed some other factors.
Speaking of the 7 round magazine, I carry with that one and have an 8 round in my pocket. This is because I have fat hands and find my palm interferes with dropping the 8 round unless I make a big change in my grip (which is something I don't need to be worrying about if I'm ever needing to reload under stress).
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Next time you're at the range, ask around and see if anyone has Talon grips and will let you hold their gun. The grip material is less than 1/2 mm thick and I don't think it makes any difference at all in how thick the gun feels. In my case, it simply lets me get a much better grip and I've found I can shoot the Shield much better with than without.
There isn't a whole lot of risk with trying a Talon. It will cost you $18 and take you 3 minutes to install (maybe 5 the first time). If you don't like it, it will take you 30 seconds to remove it and clean the adhesive off. Of course, at that point, you've lost the $18 because it can't be reused.
I think you'll have trouble finding people who have tried them and don't love them.
There isn't a whole lot of risk with trying a Talon. It will cost you $18 and take you 3 minutes to install (maybe 5 the first time). If you don't like it, it will take you 30 seconds to remove it and clean the adhesive off. Of course, at that point, you've lost the $18 because it can't be reused.
I think you'll have trouble finding people who have tried them and don't love them.
Honest question, have to give an honest answer. Of course it does.
It adds about a half inch sooooo while easily hidden with adjustment it DOES add to length some.
Pic#1 the 7rd......pic #2 the 8rd
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SHIELD UPGRADES
Other than: Buying a Sig 238,239 to start with.
Seriously, I agree with the others, see how you do before trying to spend MO $.
Other than: Buying a Sig 238,239 to start with.
Seriously, I agree with the others, see how you do before trying to spend MO $.
a ton of ammo and a ton of practice. I would suggest you get your preferred sights before spending all that money on ammo and training. Why not get the upgrades you like so you can train with them. Makes no sense to me to train and shoot lets say 500 rounds and the realize you need better or new sights. Then spend more money on another 500rounds to train with the new sights.
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I've got the factory m&p tritium sights on the gun currently
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no offense intended to anyone, but the Shield9 (and 45) are as close to perfect as concealable production pistols go. After you shoot it a few hundred rounds, you may want to add Talon Grips or something similar to better fit your hand, and different sights (night sights or similar), depending on what you're using it for, BUT, the trigger, recoil spring, etc, "enhancements" are unnecessary and might introduce new issues. JMO.
Shoot it a while (a lot...500 rounds of factory ammo) and then see what, if anything, you think needs improvement.
Shoot it a while (a lot...500 rounds of factory ammo) and then see what, if anything, you think needs improvement.
I don't think there is anything essential to add to the Shield, but I can tell you what has made mine the perfect gun. I added the TruGlo Pro Day/Night Sights which are great. I also installed an Apex Sear and Ultimate Striker Block which gives me the sweetest trigger ever and I now like shooting this gun probably more than any other. Like I said, non-essential but I don't regret purchasing any of it and I'm more than glad that I did. Regards, Elliot45
On my 9, I put a Crimson Trace on when I bought it and extra mags so I wouldn't have to reload as much. After a few trips to the range, I put Talon grips on it and the mag extender on the smaller magazine.
On my 45, I've put the Crimson Trace on, the mag extender and extra mags. The stock grips feel pretty good to me, even when I'm sweaty, so I don't think I'll put Talons on this one.
On my 45, I've put the Crimson Trace on, the mag extender and extra mags. The stock grips feel pretty good to me, even when I'm sweaty, so I don't think I'll put Talons on this one.
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I just put a pearce mag extension on my 7 rounder. Great add on for that mag.
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MagGuts Info <[email protected]> May 23 at 2:24 PM
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Hi Shane,
We are working on conversions for the Shield 45 magazines now. It will be a little while, though, before we have them.
We will add you to a list of interested customers to be contacted when they are available.
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My wife started with the 8 round mag but is moving to the 7 since she said it is more comfortable to carry.
For me, I don't see a big difference. So, I have been carrying the 8 lately. I always shoot both since I go back and fourth. The 7 does keep the Shield nice and small like its meant to be, although most people seem to hate it. You just have to practice shooting it a little. I have big hands and can shoot it about the same as the extended mag.
I was talking to a holster making that told me he usually carrys the extended mag but when he wants more concealability he carrys the flush mag. He carrys the ruger sr9c. This makes sense to me.
I don't use the pinky extension because I think it defeats the purpose.
For me, I don't see a big difference. So, I have been carrying the 8 lately. I always shoot both since I go back and fourth. The 7 does keep the Shield nice and small like its meant to be, although most people seem to hate it. You just have to practice shooting it a little. I have big hands and can shoot it about the same as the extended mag.
I was talking to a holster making that told me he usually carrys the extended mag but when he wants more concealability he carrys the flush mag. He carrys the ruger sr9c. This makes sense to me.
I don't use the pinky extension because I think it defeats the purpose.
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I tried a 7-round magazine with both Pearce and NDZ extensions and ended up just carrying an 8-round magazine when I wanted a place to park my pinkie. The thing that surprised me was that I did not experience any loss of control or speed when using a 7-round magazine with a flat base plate.
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neither have I but it's very comfortable. And the extention faces down in holster so it prints no more than the flat plate
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Relieve Spring Tension??
I don't mean to pick on this poster, but I see advice and opinions a lot on this board and others to the effect that springs will "sag" or "relax" over time if kept deflected. I'm a mechanical engineer, though I did not specialize in mechanisms, but did manage to get through metallurgy and mechanics of materials courses. I remember enough about elastic deformation and creep rupture to know that spring steel does not sag or relax over time at ambient temperatures in time frames less than geological. But the myth persists among gun enthusiasts, car and motorcycle buffs, etc., that one must replace old worn out springs that have sagged or softened over time, that magazine follower springs will weaken over time if kept deflected, and hammer springs must be relaxed before storing a gun. Small industries trade on the notion.
If a spring, or any solid body, is deflected less than its elastic limit, it will return to its zero stress dimensions when the strain is relieved. If there is hysteresis deflection or loss of spring constant, the spring was either improperly designed, or stressed beyond its elastic limit.
I have a modest collection of firearms of all types, many well over a century old, and none show any sign of weakened springs, through all have springs pre-loaded and under constant deflection, i.e. a tubular magazine springs, hammer springs, etc.
Can somebody with more metallurgical chops than I set me straight if there really is a problem with springs losing their elasticity? I know age hardening is a known phenomenon in ferrous castings within a period measured in a few months or years, but I presume that the strength modulus of ferrous springs is essentially constant forever.
I don't mean to pick on this poster, but I see advice and opinions a lot on this board and others to the effect that springs will "sag" or "relax" over time if kept deflected. I'm a mechanical engineer, though I did not specialize in mechanisms, but did manage to get through metallurgy and mechanics of materials courses. I remember enough about elastic deformation and creep rupture to know that spring steel does not sag or relax over time at ambient temperatures in time frames less than geological. But the myth persists among gun enthusiasts, car and motorcycle buffs, etc., that one must replace old worn out springs that have sagged or softened over time, that magazine follower springs will weaken over time if kept deflected, and hammer springs must be relaxed before storing a gun. Small industries trade on the notion.
If a spring, or any solid body, is deflected less than its elastic limit, it will return to its zero stress dimensions when the strain is relieved. If there is hysteresis deflection or loss of spring constant, the spring was either improperly designed, or stressed beyond its elastic limit.
I have a modest collection of firearms of all types, many well over a century old, and none show any sign of weakened springs, through all have springs pre-loaded and under constant deflection, i.e. a tubular magazine springs, hammer springs, etc.
Can somebody with more metallurgical chops than I set me straight if there really is a problem with springs losing their elasticity? I know age hardening is a known phenomenon in ferrous castings within a period measured in a few months or years, but I presume that the strength modulus of ferrous springs is essentially constant forever.
There are many stories of magazines stored fully loaded for decades and functioning perfectly when finally put to the test. I recall a specific one about a fully loaded 1911 magazine, known to have been untouched (in the back of a dresser drawer) for something like 70 years, working properly when tried.
The posts I've read (on other forums) from engineers who DID work professionally with springs are consistent with ggibson511960's recollection - a properly manufactured spring subject to an individual deflection (load it up and let it sit) that is less than the material's elastic limit does not weaken the spring - over normal human time frames. What does weaken the spring is repeated deflections - lots of 'em. Which is why the serious, high volume, run 'n gun shooters are known to replace their magazine and hammer or striker springs periodically.
That said, I have had the experience of the hammer spring on a Bisley Model Colt Single Action going soft after about 100 years. The gun was made in 1897 per factory letter, my father bought it in 1941 and eventually gave it to me. We shot it regularly although not extensively over the years - probably over 500 but certainly less than 1000 rounds total. By sometime around 2005 it began partially cocking the hammer after each shot. The cylinder would be found partially rotated toward the next chamber after the shot, and the hammer became notably easy to cock. A new hammer spring brought it back to normal functioning.
The posts I've read (on other forums) from engineers who DID work professionally with springs are consistent with ggibson511960's recollection - a properly manufactured spring subject to an individual deflection (load it up and let it sit) that is less than the material's elastic limit does not weaken the spring - over normal human time frames. What does weaken the spring is repeated deflections - lots of 'em. Which is why the serious, high volume, run 'n gun shooters are known to replace their magazine and hammer or striker springs periodically.
That said, I have had the experience of the hammer spring on a Bisley Model Colt Single Action going soft after about 100 years. The gun was made in 1897 per factory letter, my father bought it in 1941 and eventually gave it to me. We shot it regularly although not extensively over the years - probably over 500 but certainly less than 1000 rounds total. By sometime around 2005 it began partially cocking the hammer after each shot. The cylinder would be found partially rotated toward the next chamber after the shot, and the hammer became notably easy to cock. A new hammer spring brought it back to normal functioning.
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