Ever seen a box of new 25rnd mags, in this day and age?

[Locked-N-Loaded]

In California, just putting the blocks in does not make them legal. There also has to be a rivet or some kind of epoxy in order for the modification to be compliant with California laws.

See the following from the Calguns.net wiki:
Manufacturing non large-capacity magazines

Penal Code 16740 states:
As used in this section, "large-capacity magazine"
means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept
more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of
the following:
(A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it
cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.


This means that one can manufacture non large-capacity magazines if the alterations to what would otherwise be a large-capacity magazine are permanent.

In sworn testimony, representatives of the California Department of Justice have stated that it is their opinion that the types of modifications presented in the failed "detachable magazine permanence" rulemaking would suffice to be permanent alterations to large-capacity magazines to exclude them from the law. The relevant alterations from the failed rulemaking include:
Continuous ribbon or ribbons of welding
A rivet fixed in place with epoxy

I have been through this here before & will do it again. This has also been debated on other gun sites some of which I have +4000 posts. I am a CA resident & built one of the first top loading AR15s in CA -socal more specifically - in circa 2005 when we were top loading & had mags pinned into the magwell. And i have been a calguns.net member since 2005. Point being... I feel comfortable in my choices/methods.

So.... these mags - when blocked - take a tool to undo. Once you need a tool to undo them your GTG in my opinion. Why? Because NOTHING is permanent. Not epoxy. Not a rivet. No a blind pin. Nothing. ALL can be undone. Days ago I undid a rivet to put on a ranger plate in 15 seconds. I undid epoxy with a dremmel tool in 2 minutes. I have drilled out blind pins in minutes. The KEY is that a tool is used as any block can be undone.

Also... epoxy? Epoxy comes in dozens of strengths. Some taking hammers and dremmels to undo some thinner some hand strength. So epoxy proves nothing nor does a rivet.

Lastly... ever notice the very "CA legal" mags sold by S&W have zero epoxy & floorplates you can slide off & a rivet you can remove in minutes? Hows that working for "permanent"?

So my belief - as many in CA - is that since a tool is needed to remove the ranger plates (can't be done by hand) it us just as permanent as a rivet epoxy or blind pin.

We can leave it at that as I wont be changing my method as I have seen any and all quotes & thoughts on the topic hundreds of times over many years. I feel 100 percent fine in this method.

I appreciate the concern but im GTG with this method

Ps - IF I ever get stopped & asked & tested & found to have an issue (which I highly highly doubt given the above logic agreed to by many) thank God I will have the Calguns legal team to turn to

 

[Locked-N-Loaded]

thats such a shame that you have all those mags and cant put more than 7 rounds in them.WTH do they think this will accomplish?the criminals im sure will just load 7 rounds in them before they do a drive by lol.there really are some dumb people in our government

I am in CA... I can do 10 rounds


(For now)

 

[tacticool22]

Genious.
Trim the limiters down and put them in the short 10 round mags to block them to 7.
The floorplate button HAS to be the same (legally ) as the stupid bullet button. You have to use a tool.