Hi guys I just need some help I live here in SoCal. our M&P edition did not have a external safety i was wondering if it is possible to put one on it? Is there an after market product I can get to convert it to the one with "Thumb safety"? It would be very nice if anybody can point me to the right direction Thank you!
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How old is your gun? I'd say the best way to add the safety would be to install the new design sear housing (the assembly that holds the rear frame rails, the sear, the sear disconnect lever, etc). This new design sear housing has the provision for the manual safety integral to the design. With the new sear housing, you can simply include the manual safety levers with it (or not if one doesn't want them).
The safety levers will require modification to the frame: you'll have to provide the cut-outs that are present in new models (and plugged with No Thumb Safety models). I imagine this could be done pretty easily with careful work with a dremel tool and some light files/abrasive paper (with the sear housing removed).
Some people just like having an external safety. I come from a 1911 background and I like having a thumb safety, especially on my carry gun. I like having the extra layer of safety. Since flipping off the thumb safety is second nature to me, it is not a big deal and does not take any extra time. Whenever I shoot my 5" M&P Pro, I am always trying to thumb off the safety. I laugh at myself and carry on.
SSS is OOS M&P Manual Safety Lever [1960] - $10.00 : Welcome to Speed Shooter Specialties
So you will need to contact S&W.
It's not just the lever, it's also the detent and spring. Look at the lower housing in this pic,
http://www.speedshooterspecialties....roduct_info&cPath=103_90_115&products_id=1188
(Credit to Fastbolt that posted this originally).
http://www.speedshooterspecialties....roduct_info&cPath=103_90_115&products_id=1188
(Credit to Fastbolt that posted this originally).
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From what I have read, S&W will tell you to get lost if you aren't a certified armorer. It seams all the new guns come with frame plugs and the housing that accepts the small bits for the safety. Mine did, and it's one of the 2014 LE models.
I'm looking for a lever because I have an Apex FSS kit and I want to go with about a 3# trigger and an active safety.
I'm looking for a lever because I have an Apex FSS kit and I want to go with about a 3# trigger and an active safety.
Well you won't know for sure unless you call them. SSS or G&R Tactical will order the parts for you. The model with the cut outs is called the Thumb Safety model whether or not a TS is fitted. Non TS models without cutouts are still being made, according to the S&W website.
Rastoff
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Not in So Cal it isn't. The only M&P that can be bought in CA now is the Shield. He could buy a used one, but they are extremely scarce and would most likely sell for 50% more than MSRP.
kado3,
If you're anywhere near me I can help you with that.
I'd like a company like Apex to make aftermarket manual safeties for the M&P. It would complement their "competition" AEKs so people actually can have M&P's with 1911-like triggers and safeties.
The M&P safety is not great. It does not have a very positive engagement/disengagement, and I felt like it would easily be accidentally flipped either way. I'd like an option for maybe a smaller lever, and maybe have an option for being only one-sided instead of having to have an ambi.
I'm not even a 1911 guy but I think I'd enjoy an M&P I can shoot competition-level-accurate with a light trigger if there was a well designed on/off switch (safety).
The M&P safety is not great. It does not have a very positive engagement/disengagement, and I felt like it would easily be accidentally flipped either way. I'd like an option for maybe a smaller lever, and maybe have an option for being only one-sided instead of having to have an ambi.
I'm not even a 1911 guy but I think I'd enjoy an M&P I can shoot competition-level-accurate with a light trigger if there was a well designed on/off switch (safety).
Rastoff
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The M&P will never have a "1911 like" trigger. The trigger bar has too much flex in it. I have the Apex FSS kit in my M&P 45 and it's much better than stock, but still not as nice as my 1911.
However, the safety on my 45 is very positive and the engagement is solid. Maybe mine is just one of the "good" ones. Of course the engagement can be made stiffer with a stronger spring on the detent.
However, the safety on my 45 is very positive and the engagement is solid. Maybe mine is just one of the "good" ones. Of course the engagement can be made stiffer with a stronger spring on the detent.
Well BOTH my MP9C Apex and my SR1911 have a 1/16 free travel
The SR1911 breaks at 4.5 and the MP9C at 3.5
If that is not 1911 like I don't know what would be
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A 1911 trigger is traditionally SAO a DA trigger can never be as smooth as a SA trigger. Every DA trigger will have a "hump" because it either has to cock a hammer or engage a striker so it's performing two operations instead of one. One of the best triggers ever made is the S&W Model 41 that trigger breaks like glass. Breaking like glass is the ultimate trigger because it gives a wall and then just breaks with no "hump". Which is different from a SA revolver hair trigger that is very light but gives little control
What is the build date of the gun w/ safety you've tried? My May 2014 M&P 9 w/TS has a pretty positive safety engagement. I've read reports of the safeties accidentally flipping on during shooting, but I just can't see that happening to mine, with the right grip anyway. My M&P 9's safety isn't QUITE as positive as my Shield's, but it's close.
Maybe the newer guns with the newer sear housing have a more positive safety system.
If I'm not mistaken, I think the safety lever could easily be modified to be one-sided instead of ambi. It's just a sheetmetal piece that can be trimmed. In fact, if you could even likely plug that side of the frame with an OEM frame plug after you trimmed the safety lever.
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I have an M&P 9c with a thumb safety. It was built late 2013 I believe.. The husband's 9c does not have one. Personal preference..
I do find that when I carry, sometimes the thumb safety gets turned off. I don't know what is causing this. My sig 938's thumb safety has not disengaged on its own yet. They are both carried in the same position in the same brand/type of holsters. I carry them in good holsters that fully cover the trigger guard, so no issues there. But I do find myself often checking the thumb safety to make sure it is engaged. BTW, the 9c has only had the thumb safety disengage about 15% of the time.
I do find that when I carry, sometimes the thumb safety gets turned off. I don't know what is causing this. My sig 938's thumb safety has not disengaged on its own yet. They are both carried in the same position in the same brand/type of holsters. I carry them in good holsters that fully cover the trigger guard, so no issues there. But I do find myself often checking the thumb safety to make sure it is engaged. BTW, the 9c has only had the thumb safety disengage about 15% of the time.
I've played with M&P manual safeties from pretty much all over the timeline. I was at a Cabelas yesterday and played with all 4 new M&P's they had that had manual safeties, they were all mush, felt weakly engaged in either position, and felt the same as the manual safety on my new M&P22Compact. Sadly the only positive information gleaned from the experience is that they were all as they were designed to be, which is not good.
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