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Wondering if anybody knows if sending a gun into S&W for engraving today if the gun would letter as a factory engraved gun after it is finished. I have never done it and I don't know if S&W keeps records of that in this day in time. Thanks in advance
 
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No, its not. What it will letter as is how you have it right now. If you want to try to make it look that way, keep all your correspondence and billing information from the engraving. Then if you decide to sell it (probably at a loss as that's how things happen) offering the new buyer the original letter and the documents as a bundle. If the buyer wants a factory engraved example, he might pay more. But rarely as much as both the gun and the engraving cost. Just how life is.
 
I have never sent a firearm back to S&W. I do imagine in doing so, there would be a record of the serial number on shipping documents and on the receipt for services rendered. The receipt should be a solid documentation of factory engraving and should be kept with the revolver.

I have received a number of letters from the Mr. Jinks and they did not include any information on returns for services. I even have one with the star and date of either refinish or rework of some sort stamped on the butt and interior frame under the left grip. The letter on this revolver did not cite the nature of the return work.
 
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I'm sure that the factory provides an Engraving Certificate of some sort... As a collector of engraved firearms, I like to know not only where the work was done, but who did the work. So, if you do get one engraved, get as much info as you can and keep it with the gun.

...and, because every thread with the word "engraving" in it needs some photos, here are some guns that were engraved at the factory in the 1970's (probably Tom Freyburger or Russ Smith):





With some aftermarket KB wood...



All the best in your pursuit of the perfect customization...
 
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... some photos, here are some guns that were engraved at the factory in the 1970's (probably Tom Freyburger or Russ Smith)

Very tasty pic's. I'll not likely own one, but fine craftsmanship has to be admired.
Thanks for sharing. :)
 
I sent the 44 Magnum (below) to S&W for engraving and gold inlay in 2003. The work was done by Wayne D'Angelo who "signed" the revolver on the frame in front of the trigger guard. I kept the invoice from S&W and also received a very nice letter signed by the President of S&W (Roy Cuny) and Wayne D'Angelo stating the 44 Magnum had been custom engraved and inlaid for me. I don't know if S&W still does this, but they might if you requested it. Click on the photo for a better look.

Bill

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Thanks brothers! That was a lot of great info and awesome pics. I will likely leave as is and if I want a engraved one I will try and look for one.
 
The places I see engraved guns is at gun shows. Big ones particularly. Keep in mind that if you're out of state, you have a minor problem figuring out how to comply with laws. But also realize that engraved guns usually don't sell the first time a vendor brings them along. Some languish for months or even years. It provides the opportunity for you to negotiate and solve the payment problems. Remember, almost no one wants to take a check from someone they've never seen before. But you can pay by check and then if you trust the seller, have him ship it to your local gun shop.

My story about meeting my longtime gun show partner: Some old coot (John) had a gun on his table that I really wanted badly. It was a ratty old M57 with factory engraving. He wanted $2400 for it. I'd been seeing it on his table for a bunch of shows. We'd engaged in some friendly banter, with me offering $2000 and him not coming off his price one cent. There used to be 5 big shows put on by National Gun Day. He was set up at every one. I never missed one either. Same negotiation, no changes. We'd even become friends over the years. Every show I'd show up and it would start.

So the one show in the Mid 1990s I was dragging along, having walked the entire show. Before I could present myself, he started in on me from a few tables away. Things like when am I going to pay a fair price and not just be a looker. By then the entire island of tables was watching and laughing. So when I walked the last few feet and put down my bag, I smiled at him and said "I'll pay a fair price when you offer me one". Again laughter from the peanut gallery. Because this scenario in some variation had been taking place for so long, I figured it was time to change the dialogue. So I reached into my zipper pocket and pulled out my stash. On the glass top of his display, I put 20 Ben Franklins. I'd even practiced the art of spreading them out, fan shaped. He was in shock. And all the other vendors in the island were in hysterics. Its called "calling his bluff". It worked, too.

I have a K22 that we think was engraved by Ben Shostle. No way I'd have bought it if I hadn't handled it first. Seeing the gun you want in person is much better than trusting how it will turn out. I know the theme of this thread is factory work. Its consistently good. But independent engravers do sometimes better work. My conclusion is that you can depend on the factory, but if you want a really exceptional piece, you can do better. And less expensive if its already engraved.

Keep in mind that usually the amount you pay for the gun and then for the engraving ends up as more than the engraved piece is worth. The only reason to commission engraving is because you want some unusual and specific thing. If you are willing to settle for just a really attractive gun, save yourself some money and buy one already done where you can see the results.
 
...My conclusion is that you can depend on the factory, but if you want a really exceptional piece, you can do better. And less expensive if its already engraved.

Keep in mind that usually the amount you pay for the gun and then for the engraving ends up as more than the engraved piece is worth... If you are willing to settle for just a really attractive gun, save yourself some money and buy one already done where you can see the results.

I do agree with Mr. Burg's above sentiments and think his points are spot on. Buying something already completed also provides immediate gratification for those of us who are impatient... "See it ---> Like it ---> Buy it":)

...The only reason to commission engraving is because you want some unusual and specific thing.

As one who has commissioned several engraved guns, I would also add that one more reason to commission an engraved gun, and that is to be a part of the "creative process". That part is way fun... and requires a lot of faith, the ability to visualize an end product, significant up front cash, and a ton of patience (the creative engravers that you would want to commission do not work fast...). Waiting is the hardest part...:eek:

In general, you won't find engraved guns like these two I had engraved for sale (regardless of price):



 
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Richard, I have thought for a while of having a mismatched Simson engraved. I would want 'germanic' looking motif, probably 1/2 to 3/4 covering (I am showing my ignorance I know).

I would assume that certain engravers do certain styles?

Can you point me in the right direction sir? (Or anyone?)

Thanks,

Ed
 
My first engraved Smith & Wesson

I posted this on a separate thread, but thought I'd add it here...

Just received my S&W Model 66-5 3" back from S&W yesterday... They did Class B scrollwork and differential refinish... Roasted Birdseye combat grips by Culina...

I think I'll have El Paso Saddlery make a 1920 "Tom Threepersons" holster for it...

And for the original question -- the Factory ordered a Factory Letter for this revolver. I should have it in a week or so. It's supposed to reference the engraving but we'll see...
 

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