Factory installed car GPS devices...

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It's funny. My GM car has a factory installed GPS. However, I have two Garmin GPS units that I way prefer. One is a backup I keep loaded with destinations identical to the first one. If the primary unit goes belly up or is stolen somehow, I'm still in business.

My problems with the factory device in the car are as follows:

1. The maps are now out of date, and the only way to update them is expensive and complex.

2. Hard to read - streets are not labeled so they always appear as you move about.

3. It does not tell you what the speed limit is.

4. It will not warn you of red light cameras.

5. There is a limit of 50 destinations you can program on it.

6. The ETA is not given.

7. No traffic problem alerts.

8. When a destination is not active, it does not display the street just ahead as well as the one you are on, for example "Mission lane ahead."

9. No guidance reference to restaurants or attractions by name.

My Garmin units address all of the above problems and to boot are easier to read. Updates are free and do not require any coupling with a computer or compact disc, just a wall plug for sustained power.

I revert to the factory GPS only around town, where roads are well established and do not usually require updating. The 50 destinations I've programmed on it only include local stuff.

But when I plan longer trips, the Garmin units really earn the money I paid for them, and so far I have not reached an arbitrary limit on programmed destinations.

I have found that for rural addresses, the actual location may differ from the address. After referring to Google Earth at home, I can figure the decimal GPS coordinates of the actual locations and enter them easily on the Garmin units.

Some might think it odd that I use a moveable dash unit when I have factory GPS, but I beg to differ for the above reasons.

Anyone else have similar concerns and/or experiences?

John
 
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I just pair my iPhone with the system and use that map. It displays on the screen . . .
This. Most newer cars, I think, have Carplay for iPhones and whatever the similar program is for Android phones. I use Google Maps on my iPhone for car navigation, displaying it on the built-in dash screen. Works well.
 
That, and I have an app called Sygic that works offline. It really came in handy in Western NC as cell service is very spotty.
 
Only factory installed GPS I've used was on the Citroen leased car in Europe. Though brand new, it's maps still needed updating, which would have required a visit to a dealership service department.
I left the outdated maps alone and lived with the occasional aggravation of new traffic patterns not being shown.

My last several cars display the phone's GPS routing on the dashboard display through the Android Auto interface. Currently use the WAZE app for navigation because of it's realtime user updated data.


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Tempus fugit.

All the reasons given in the OP are why onboard (factory) GPS are either becoming subscription systems, or being overtaken by CarPlay/Waze/etc apps. Cell phones, like it or not, are more adaptable and powerful computers than the onboard GPS, and most consumers cycle out cell phones every 3-4 years. If your car is 5+ years old, that fugit thing is nigh.

The subscription system may - and I use that term with little faith— give the consumer enough leverage to keep the car manufacturers upgrading the onboard GPS systems; otherwise, they’re legacy systems which will sunset on their own. OnStar is smack dab in the middle of this now.

My 2013 Audi uses 3G… guess what’s getting phased out in 2022? Yup. VW/Audi Group has an onboard cell modem upgrade that pairs with your cell phone to use 4G service. :rolleyes: Maybe. That aside, Garmin or other outboard GPS (TomTom) are the alternative, or swapping out the factory audio head unit with an aftermarket one that supports CarPlay or Android Auto. No free lunch… but I’d rather run Garmin or TomTom than allow Apple or Google to further monitor my every move. Decisions, decisions.

First World problems are a, well, you know.

OnStar:

Just a moment...

3G sunset:
Plan Ahead for Phase Out of 3G Cellular Networks and Service | Federal Communications Commission

Cell phone lifecycle:
What Is the Average Replacement Cycle and Lifespan of A Smartphone?
 
I have a TomTom and a Garmin, but I prefer the built-in GPS in my 2018 F-150.

The display screen is much larger and can be zoomed in or out. Mine lists the street I’m on and the cross streets if the zoom is set to about 1/4 mile or less. If I’m zoomed out more than that, it only lists the major roads. Mine does display the speed limit, but some are outdated because the limits were recently increased. It took me a while to discover this, but touching the estimated time of arrival display toggles between the ETA, distance and driving time.
 
On Google Maps, one can download an area if you know in advance that cell reception will be bad.

Sure, but now you're having to deal with Google. :(

I have a fix for all this that drives my wife nuts. I look at a map, usually on the computer, before I go anywhere. As best I can I familiarize myself with the route and any traffic foibles that stand out. I actually plan ahead. I know, what a concept.:rolleyes:
 
It's funny. My GM car has a factory installed GPS. However, I have two Garmin GPS units that I way prefer. One is a backup I keep loaded with destinations identical to the first one. If the primary unit goes belly up or is stolen somehow, I'm still in business.

My problems with the factory device in the car are as follows:

1. The maps are now out of date, and the only way to update them is expensive and complex.

2. Hard to read - streets are not labeled so they always appear as you move about.

3. It does not tell you what the speed limit is.

4. It will not warn you of red light cameras.

5. There is a limit of 50 destinations you can program on it.

6. The ETA is not given.

7. No traffic problem alerts.

8. When a destination is not active, it does not display the street just ahead as well as the one you are on, for example "Mission lane ahead."

9. No guidance reference to restaurants or attractions by name.

My Garmin units address all of the above problems and to boot are easier to read. Updates are free and do not require any coupling with a computer or compact disc, just a wall plug for sustained power.

I revert to the factory GPS only around town, where roads are well established and do not usually require updating. The 50 destinations I've programmed on it only include local stuff.

But when I plan longer trips, the Garmin units really earn the money I paid for them, and so far I have not reached an arbitrary limit on programmed destinations.

I have found that for rural addresses, the actual location may differ from the address. After referring to Google Earth at home, I can figure the decimal GPS coordinates of the actual locations and enter them easily on the Garmin units.

Some might think it odd that I use a moveable dash unit when I have factory GPS, but I beg to differ for the above reasons.

Anyone else have similar concerns and/or experiences?

John

I wasn't aware of all the shortcomings, but have never used mine.
 
it's all there for big brother.

our 2021 4runner has a **** gps.....i am getting a new garmin next week. any suggestions on place to buy other than amazooon?

vfm
 
I use Waze. With the exception of the occasional “ turn here” 50ft from the intersection :eek:, works perfectly.

Google is the backup.

Sygic? Wish I had that last summer getting dead stopped for more than 15 miles coming through the NC mountains.
 
I have a fix for all this that drives my wife nuts. I look at a map, usually on the computer, before I go anywhere. As best I can I familiarize myself with the route and any traffic foibles that stand out. I actually plan ahead.


This. I have never had or used any kind of GPS. My vehicles are too old to have it built in. I've always kind of enjoyed looking at maps anyway; as does the woman in my life. If we get turned around, I stop and ask for directions. Never ran into a person who objected.

I realize that this is no help to John; so I'll take a hike and let all the tech people continue their discussion.

Regards,
Andy
 
Had a Nissan with full GPS , worked great.
Map update was a $75 SD Card you stuck in the slot.
Never did it.
Now have lower trim Toyota without GPS.
Mostly use iPhone app maps.me.
Can sync phone to RAV display, it don’t always work that well.
Have outdoor -hiking type GPS laying in the rear yelling Put Me In!
I’m ready.
Maps.me is a freestanding full GPS app, no cell service required.
When I really need a little direction help, there usually ain’t no CS Cell Signal.
 
The built in GPS in our 2017 Mazda CX-5 drove me nuts. it was programmed to show a route for the shortest time, not distance, and could not be changed.

Instead of taking the shortest route it would zig zag around traffic lights. One time we used it on a highway and it took us around all the small towns where the speed limit was lower, instead of through them. I think I only used it two or three times before reverting back to my phone bluetoothed into the stereo system.

Even after servicing “updates” it would not show new road layouts. Even Google Maps is not as updated as Apple’s iMaps is. Google still shows a new local bypass opened at least 5 years ago as local fields, whereas iMaps shows the new road.

I think Have used the factory GPS in our 2021 MG SUV twice. It is not as intuitive a system to use a iMaps and I prefer what I know to learning a new way.

iMaps, not Google, took us around the US in 2018. I had it in a dash holder but when we discovered how to use Apple Play I would display it on the car’s touch screen for Karen to see. It sometimes took us to the back of our destination instead of the front, but it always got us there. It’ll do the same on the return next month.
 
Buried somewhere in the circuitry of my onboard system is apparently a hood setting that I have somehow activated. If there’s a way to get there by going through all the worst parts of town, that’s where we’re a going.
 
Never had the need or desire for GPS for anything. I look at screens for hours every day. Not looking at one in my cars is a welcome respite. And I’m not going to be glancing back and forth between a car display and the road while I’m driving. That’s as dumb as driving and texting. And I certainly don’t want some robotic voice talking to me telling me where to turn or how fast I have enough tech in my house and car already. Don’t need more.
 

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