Failure to Feed

[Fondis Firearms]

I had my 15-22 out for it's maiden voyage today, and boy was it a lot of fun. No ejection problems like so many other people have described, but I did have a few failures to feed. It was very cold out, so I only shot 6 magazines full, but 4 of them had a ftf after about 12-14 shots.

I don't know if this is a gun problem or a magazine problem. In each case, the round that failed to feed came up vertically instead of horizontally and then jammed so bad in the magazine that I had to take the magazine apart to dislodge the round.

I was very careful how I loaded the magazines, and I used ammo from the approved list (Federal bulk and CCI mini mags) both with equal results.

I know it will take some time to break in the gun, but I hope this jamming doesn't continue too much longer or it may have to go back to S&W too. Any thoughts?

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[melloyello]

Yep, that's what happens to mine too. I think it's the mags myself. I really don't see how it could be anything else. It doesn't happen much but it happens. That's enough to warrant sending it in for repair. I just have to narrow it down to which mag is causing the problem the most and I am sending mine in.

 

[Fondis Firearms]

yea, right now I only have one mag, so it's not hard to narrow it down for me. I do want to shoot it a bit more though before I send it in.

 

[maxicooper]

I had couple FTF during the first 300 rounds, no more after that.

Just make sure to load the mag properly.

 

[~tc~]

Just make sure to load the mag properly.

x2 - one round at a time, and give it a tap on the back to make sure all the rounds are seated to the rear of the mag.

 

[OLDGUNMAN]

Fired 200 rds today, for a total of 500 without cleaning and have only had one FTF so far. It's a blast to shhot. The guy shooting next to me also had a 15-22 and has not had any problems so far.

 

[CORPORAL PUNISHMENT]

I had my 15-22 out for it's maiden voyage today, and boy was it a lot of fun. No ejection problems like so many other people have described, but I did have a few failures to feed. It was very cold out, so I only shot 6 magazines full, but 4 of them had a ftf after about 12-14 shots.

I don't know if this is a gun problem or a magazine problem. In each case, the round that failed to feed came up vertically instead of horizontally and then jammed so bad in the magazine that I had to take the magazine apart to dislodge the round.

I was very careful how I loaded the magazines, and I used ammo from the approved list (Federal bulk and CCI mini mags) both with equal results.

I know it will take some time to break in the gun, but I hope this jamming doesn't continue too much longer or it may have to go back to S&W too. Any thoughts?

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Wow that looks familiar What does your mag say 22lr or 22lr w/ 25 rd underneath?

 

[Fondis Firearms]

it says 22lr only no 25 rounds. I have 2 more extra mags shipping from S&W supposed to deliver thursday. I'll try them to see if the results are any different.

 

[CAR-15M4]

Mine did the smae during the first 300 rounds or so. Seems to get better the more you shoot it.

 

[mikehoncho]

i'm over 500 rounds now with about 8 FTF. i've noticed that i get the FTF with the round standing up in the mag and the round is logded in tight. most of the FTF comes during rapid fire with federal bulk. i had one with federal spitfires.

wish i wouldn't have left my rifle at my cabin but i noticed inside the mag lips where the rim of the upright round is getting lodged there are little round indentations where the rim is getting stuck. they are perfectly round so i can only assume the mags were produced that way. i'm going to try to put a little epoxy in that "recess" on one mag to see if that solves the problem.

i take care to load properly and i've polished my feed ramp to a near mirror finish. it's very annoying considering i feel like i'm taking the steps necessary to prevent it. having said that, i had 3 FTF in my ruger 10/22 with the same ammo and i only shot about 70 rounds with it today.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

i'm over 500 rounds now with about 8 FTF. i've noticed that i get the FTF with the round standing up in the mag and the round is logded in tight. most of the FTF comes during rapid fire with federal bulk. i had one with federal spitfires.

wish i wouldn't have left my rifle at my cabin but i noticed inside the mag lips where the rim of the upright round is getting lodged there are little round indentations where the rim is getting stuck. they are perfectly round so i can only assume the mags were produced that way. i'm going to try to put a little epoxy in that "recess" on one mag to see if that solves the problem.

i take care to load properly and i've polished my feed ramp to a near mirror finish. it's very annoying considering i feel like i'm taking the steps necessary to prevent it. having said that, i had 3 FTF in my ruger 10/22 with the same ammo and i only shot about 70 rounds with it today.

You're getting about the same number of mag snags with the same ammo as what I have experienced. Trying to diagnose a 1% problem ain't easy. Good luck with the fix.

 

[CORPORAL PUNISHMENT]

You're getting about the same number of mag snags with the same ammo as what I have experienced. Trying to diagnose a 1% problem ain't easy. Good luck with the fix.[/QUOTE
Phil, I seriously think we are on to something with the mag debate. I have a dth and I know it's not the rifle.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

You're getting about the same number of mag snags with the same ammo as what I have experienced. Trying to diagnose a 1% problem ain't easy. Good luck with the fix.[/QUOTE
Phil, I seriously think we are on to something with the mag debate. I have a dth and I know it's not the rifle.

Truth be known... most feed problems with .22s are related to the mag in one way or another. If it was a metal mag at least it could be hammered and pried to adjust a little here and there... I took a ball peen hammer to the mags that came with a Walther G22 (hated that rifle). Worked good afterwards.

 

[mikehoncho]

hmmm, i too have a DTH rifle and the only damn issue i have is the mag snags (i don't count rounds that fail to fire when they have a nice dimple in the rim of which i've had maybe 3).

i will report in on the little tweak of the mag next week after i get a chance to shoot again.

just wondering, how do the conversion kits or dedicated .22lr uppers perform with regard to FTFs in the 15-22?

 

[Fondis Firearms]

I bought 2 new mags from S&W that just arrived Thursday. They are the ones that say "22lr 25 ROUNDS". The one that came with my rifle that I had all the "Mag Snags" with just said 22lr.

Well I went out today and braved the cold to try them out. I marked all of the mags so I could tell what happens with each...

first run through, all three mags fed through 25 rounds each rapid fire flawlessly.

Second round through, original mag had one Failure to feed, easily cleared. The other 2 new mags were flawless.

Third and last round through, first shot on the old mag snagged so bad I couldn't get it out without tools... The other 2 new mags were flawless.

I guess I need to contact S&W and tell them I need the original mag replaced. Otherwise, the rifle seems to work great. I've never had any ejection problems, and hopefully won't have any "out of body" experiences either.

 

[rip3000gt]

I bought 2 new mags from S&W that just arrived Thursday. They are the ones that say "22lr 25 ROUNDS". The one that came with my rifle that I had all the "Mag Snags" with just said 22lr.

Well I went out today and braved the cold to try them out. I marked all of the mags so I could tell what happens with each...

first run through, all three mags fed through 25 rounds each rapid fire flawlessly.

Second round through, original mag had one Failure to feed, easily cleared. The other 2 new mags were flawless.

Third and last round through, first shot on the old mag snagged so bad I couldn't get it out without tools... The other 2 new mags were flawless.

I guess I need to contact S&W and tell them I need the original mag replaced. Otherwise, the rifle seems to work great. I've never had any ejection problems, and hopefully won't have any "out of body" experiences either.

so I'm not crazy, and someone else has noticed the same results

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

so I'm not crazy, and someone else has noticed the same results

No. It just means there's another crazy person.

 

[Brett248Vista]

I will comment on this further after I get back from the range. I have 1 original "22LR" mag and 2 of the "22LR 25 Rounds" mags. I will be using them all. I will shoot the 22LR first and see how it feeds.

 

[rip3000gt]

No. It just means there's another crazy person.

crap i knew it

 

[fishinbill85]

I've got 8 mags total and only a few of them have (had) snags.

I think I may have fixed mine by "tweakin" them. When I would get a snag I would eject the mag and look at the round. I noticed that it was as if the bolt was trying to push the entire round through the feed lips, rim and all. If you look inside the feed lips, there are little mold injections circle's (where the polymer was injected into the form) and some are deeper than others. What I guessed was happening was that when the rim of the cartridge got to those spots, it was hanging up and then the bolt came crashing home and VIOLA.......snag. I figured I would take one and work on it a little and here's all I did to fix it:

I took a mag labeled with the "25 rds" under .22 LR. and I compared them. There are only small differences in the two and you can barely make them out. I took a small fine round file and lightly filed down the front notch between the feed lips on the old mag until was circular and not flat. I also filed the front and rear edges of those little indent's so that they wouldn't grab the rim of a round if it went through the feed lips.

I have since tested this mod on several of my snagging mags and have not had one snag since.....ZERO!!!!

I think that heavy use would do the same thing as it's polymer and the rounds will eventually wear the mag in a bit.

 

[Birdadly]

I'll ask here as this question doesn't warrant a new thread, in regards to acronyms, is what's happening here in this thread a FTF?

FTF - Fail to Feed? or does this stand for Fail to Fire?
FTE - Fail to Eject? (this hasn't happened to me yet)

others that are similar?

I hate to think I'm using incorrect terms from time to time.

Thanks,
Brad

 

[Brett248Vista]

FTE - Failure To Eject

FTF - Failure To Feed

OOB - Out Of Battery (Round that is not fully chambered when it goes BOOM)

AOL - America On Line

DSL - Direct Subscriber Line

FTW - For The Win!

BRB - Be Right Back

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

FTE - Failure To Eject

FTF - Failure To Feed

OOB - Out Of Battery (Round that is not fully chambered when it goes BOOM)

AOL - America On Line

DSL - Direct Subscriber Line

FTW - For The Win!

BRB - Be Right Back

+ FTL = Failure to Load. Or get loaded... Don't bogart....

 

[Birdadly]

Haha, thanks guys. I didn't want to ask another question on this subject, but... is FTL and FTF then the same thing? (load and feed) Which is happening to the original poster of this thread? Because this is the only bad thing happening to me with my 15-22.

TYVM fellas,
NEWB Brad

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Haha, thanks guys. I didn't want to ask another question on this subject, but... is FTL and FTF then the same thing? (load and feed) Which is happening to the original poster of this thread? Because this is the only bad thing happening to me with my 15-22.

TYVM fellas,
NEWB Brad

FTF = Failure to Fire

 

[Brett248Vista]

FTF = Failure to Fire

FTP - Failure To Phil

 

[mikehoncho]

i can't speak for everyone but i've been using FTF as failure to feed.

i don't count failure to fire as a knock against the gun as it was the ammo that didn't go bang. this is assuming of course that there is a nice dimple in the rim.

not that it's all that important but we should get on the same page. considering we haven't had anyone complain about light firing pin strikes but a lot of complaints about FTF, i'm thinking most people are using the FTF acronym as fail to feed.

FTF, FTL...doesn't matter to me so long as i know what everyone is referring to.

 

[mothman331]

Hmm... Thats interesting about the way the magazine was molded. Mine has two pretty large and deep circles which the round does seem to get caught in... I guess i will be shaving my mag down too.

 

[chuck s]

Failure to Eject or Extract?

Failure to Feed or Fire?

Ya need to spend the extra 1.5 second and type the words.

RLTW (Rangers Lead the Way),

-- Chuck

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Failure to Eject or Extract?

Failure to Feed or Fire?

Ya need to spend the extra 1.5 second and type the words.

RLTW (Rangers Lead the Way),

-- Chuck

Laughing Out Loud. Happy now? (grin)