I think that answer would be appropriate. Unless this person is taking a space that YOU need, it's really none of your business.
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I think that answer would be appropriate. Unless this person is taking a space that YOU need, it's really none of your business.
BUFF
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"Do you know what the California DMV did? Absolutely nothing. They called me back, and told me that as long as the forms had been completed correctly, they had no further interest."
I can't think of anybody less qualified to make decisions about peoples' health than a DMV worker.
I can't think of anybody less qualified to make decisions about peoples' health than a DMV worker.
I have a hang nail can I get a card? J/K, I'm the guy that always parks in the back of a parking lot and walks. Usually walking past people that are still circling around and around looking for a spot up close.
Once again. ..
Thats not the point. I don't need it but someone else may. Someone who actually has a handicap. It's not all about if I need it. You have vets, old people, people born with disabilities. So I should just say screw it?
I can see maybe not wanting to wait around if you randomly saw someone parking illegally in the handicap space but here is an opportunity to do something because I don't have to wait for a cop or whomever to show up. I'm there for 10 hours regardless.
I really don't like putting to much personal info online but this place, among other things, manufactures HANDICAP VEHICLES. You'd think there would be a few handicap clients no? Just last Saturday we had a young vet come in. He had gotten braces for his legs after years of being in a wheel chair. Luckily he came on Saturday when she is off. Otherwise tuff luck buddy i don't need that space so it's your problem.
Anyway. ...I get the gist. Essentially if it doesn't effect you personally who cares.
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amazingflapjack
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Well, it ain't how the individual looks or acts, or what they drive, it's what's going on in that person. This state issues disabled veteran tags to vets that are total and permanent-including for motorcycles. I have one on my bike. This society is quick to judge disabled folks, but lack real knowledge about what it means. I remember when the woman who won the Miss handicapped pageant was seen getting out of her wheel chair in able to enter her car. Some bright bird "exposed" her in the media the next day. I guess they thought she levitated out of the chair to do the multitude of tasks that were needed outside of the wheel chair. When your working in this society, all is well, but become disabled, and /or go on workman's comp, and you're a pariah. I used to think all those with placards that actually belonged to them were a bunch of slackers. Then I became disabled.
Absalom
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And that's precisely why they do not make those decisions in any state that I'm aware of.
If an authorized health care provider, usually a doctor, signs the appropriate forms certifying that you have a qualifying disability, a DMV worker does not have the authority to say "Well, this busybody from your work says that you don't act like you're really disabled, so I'm not going to give you a placard."
There is no question that a lot of states make it too easy and a lot of doctors sign the forms too freely, because they want to keep their patients happy and have nothing to lose by signing, but could face liability if they don't and the patient ends up falling while walking across the parking lot. So why chance that?
Yes, some people illegally use (possibly deceased) grandma's placard, but many more get them quite legally from their friendly doctor. At that point, taking it away becomes a matter of due process like everything. And I don't know how things are in your state, but if I see the lines at the DMV, it's kinda obvious that they don't have unlimited resources to go after every soft-hearted doctor or chiropractor unless you're willing to pay a LOT more for your car registration and license renewal. And let's not get started on police priorities....
Lest anyone gets the impression that I don't share the OP's anger at the abuse, I do. I have dealt with a somewhat serious health issue for over a decade now that on occasion puts me on crutches and in a wheelchair, and I have a permanent placard for that reason, which I only use if needed. And I'm quite ruthless when others' violations are obvious and affect me. I take credit for two $500 tickets I got people for in one case parking without a placard in the only available HC spot and in the other case parking on the white stripes so I couldn't get into my driver side door. (Knowing most of my local PD personally helps getting a speedy response everytime.) But such cases are clear-cut violations with no grey area, and I'm the victim. Neither applies to the OP's situation.
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armallard
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Ok I'm disabled I had a stroke had to re learn how to walk at the age of 39 I fell and broke my patella the next year had 7 surgeries to finally start walking for the second time since my stroke. I still have no use out of my left hand and arm. If you look at me unless you see my my left arm dangling around you wouldn't think I'm disabled. I do get pissed when I have to park on the the north 40 when I'm lloking for a place to park and see a 300 lb. person get out of a vehicle and walk in perfectly in with a placard I only park in a handicap spot when I'm really tired and going to be walking a while. I do walk walk with a large limp in my left leg,I'm a hardheaded *** that works my a%%%%ss off at PT clinic to get back to where I was before my stroke but never will a 100%
You are correct. However, the proprietor chooses to make those spaces available for customers that have need of them, not for people that just want a closer parking space & are too lazy to walk a few extra feet. That is the whole point of this thread, I believe...
I remember one time, I had a doctor's appointment.
We went to the doctors office and there were just a coupla parking spaces left.
However, there were about 6 open handicapped spaces.
Since I have a placard and I do have the option. I took a handicapped spot and left the other spaces open for people that didn't have that option.
It was actually my wife's idea. She's always thinkin'.
We went to the doctors office and there were just a coupla parking spaces left.
However, there were about 6 open handicapped spaces.
Since I have a placard and I do have the option. I took a handicapped spot and left the other spaces open for people that didn't have that option.
It was actually my wife's idea. She's always thinkin'.
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Federal government mandates it. It's part of the ADA. Federal law requires specific number of slots, size, markings, proximity... blah blah blah.
Just another example of the nanny mentality metastisizing cancer in society.
A store owner has no choice around here, there is a rule of how many handicapped parking spaces HAVE to be set aside based on the amount of spaces in their lot.
They also have a few none legal signed areas, a common one is spots close to the outside cart return are SAVED for people with small children. There are a couple more none legal marked spots but right now I just cannot think of what they are! Being they are none legal they are only a suggestion!
Just recently they have put up FREE car battery charging spots for the electric cars in many large stores lots.. Of course they are close to the building, got to keep the yuppies happy!
It's generally not a choice for a proprietor. Most municipalities that I know of have a requirement that businesses create a certain number of handicapped spaces based upon the size the of the parking area. I take no stand on whether or not that is good or bad public policy . . .
Absalom
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The Americans with Disabilities Act is a law that was passed by Congress, made up of representatives elected by the people, and then signed in 1990 by President George Bush, also elected by the people.
Before you share any more pearls of wisdom, maybe a reading of the Constitution is in order.
You can't be serious. There's nothing in the Constitution that gives the Feds such authority. That we accept fascism doesn't make it Constitutional.
RudyN
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I would like you to try and get into a wheelchair in a normal parking spot and then hear what you say.
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Absalom
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Article I gives Congress the authority to make laws. Congress made a law. Unless the Supreme Court should find it to be unconstitutional, it gives the Feds whatever authority it gives them.
That is the basis of our entire constitutional system.
One of the things government does is force a little altruism on the guy who would run over a person in a wheelchair.Try walking (or not) in someone less fortunate's shoes
I'm pretty sure history tells us that the fascists' opinion of the disabled was 180 degrees in the other direction from providing handicapped parking spaces. But that's none of my business . . .
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Could be.
On the other hand, there are plenty of folks confined to wheelchairs and otherwise incapcitated who aren't morbidly obese piles of human lard that I regularly see painfully waddling down the potato chip isle at the grocery store.
Whether folks eat themselves into oblivion or have some type of heath defect that causes their malady is none of my business. It's only when government makes it my business that it's worthy of comment.
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Fascism is strong, autocratic central government. What the Nazis did to people is not fascism, that they had the power to is fascism. They could have chosen to create a Germans With Disabilities Act. That they didn't has no bearing on fascism, nor did their euthanizing 'undesirables.'
The U.S. federal government is enabled to pass laws, within the bounds of the Constitution.
'Unless the Supreme Court should find it to be unconstitutional, it gives the Feds whatever authority it gives them.'
You describe a monster.
If we the people don't resist, then indeed, the feds have unrestricted authority to do whatever they want to. Ban 100 watt light bulbs. Top load washing machines. SBRs and 11 round magazines. Rifles with a foregrip. Whatever they want to do.
I don't begrudge people that use handicap plates or hang tags. Most people who get them deserve them. There are always a few scammers everywhere. In Florida, many people get them and truly need them.
For those of you that have hang tags, lock them up if you valet park. They are often stolen and re-sold. It happened to a handicapped relative of mine in Illinois. At that time, there was no photo or other ID on the card. This may be the reason that many states add a photo to the card.
There is no ID on the Florida hang tag and Florida MD's hand them out easily. So, I walk a little farther. Big deal.
For those of you that have hang tags, lock them up if you valet park. They are often stolen and re-sold. It happened to a handicapped relative of mine in Illinois. At that time, there was no photo or other ID on the card. This may be the reason that many states add a photo to the card.
There is no ID on the Florida hang tag and Florida MD's hand them out easily. So, I walk a little farther. Big deal.
I had a reply for this but it would get me banned.
