FBI 1076
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dmc8163
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Well done!
Mainsail
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Mine is in pretty much the same condition, but since I didn't have its history I sent it in to S&W so they could give it the once-over and install new night sights. I also went on Wolff's website and ordered a ten-pack of magazine springs and a one# heavier recoil spring since it will be loaded with "real" 10mm.
The_Truth
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Did you ever find anything out about that TFEXXXX pistol? I have a line on one and am curious. It also has the CAUTION on the slide.
mikeruns
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Interesting long going thread....
I was stationed @ WTBN Quantico in the RTE shop and as a lucky Marine gunsmith candidate on the job trainee or ojt (o-jett), I got to go to the military police armourer's course @ Springfield, Mass..... (s&w plant).
We were each tasked to assemble 10 each of the 1006 model which were all slated for FBI academy coincidentially only a 1000 yards from our shop.
Nothing special in terms of different trigger assy's or lighter trigger pulls or anything different than civilian models was applied...I am sorry tbat I didn't purchase any of the guns I assembled because I was offered that option....but I was young, with a young family, and just couldn't afford to... ps, Rick Killian was Mstr Sgt Killion at that time and was our maintenance chief who went on to work next door at the academy after he retired....Col Walter Walsh was a founder of WTBN as well as one of Hoover's shiney young guns in the 1930's as well as a hero mentor to all of us at the battalion....he had a long conversation with me one evening after an inter service match finals 1992 where I asked him about Elmer Keith and Ed McGivern...he was patient and fatherly. We loved the guy....cheers!
I was stationed @ WTBN Quantico in the RTE shop and as a lucky Marine gunsmith candidate on the job trainee or ojt (o-jett), I got to go to the military police armourer's course @ Springfield, Mass..... (s&w plant).
We were each tasked to assemble 10 each of the 1006 model which were all slated for FBI academy coincidentially only a 1000 yards from our shop.
Nothing special in terms of different trigger assy's or lighter trigger pulls or anything different than civilian models was applied...I am sorry tbat I didn't purchase any of the guns I assembled because I was offered that option....but I was young, with a young family, and just couldn't afford to... ps, Rick Killian was Mstr Sgt Killion at that time and was our maintenance chief who went on to work next door at the academy after he retired....Col Walter Walsh was a founder of WTBN as well as one of Hoover's shiney young guns in the 1930's as well as a hero mentor to all of us at the battalion....he had a long conversation with me one evening after an inter service match finals 1992 where I asked him about Elmer Keith and Ed McGivern...he was patient and fatherly. We loved the guy....cheers!
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dmc8163
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mikeruns, it must have been wonderful to go through the S&W school. You write that you assembled ten 1006s for the FBI contract. Is this a typo? The FBI received 1076s not 1006s. What I find most interesting is that apparently S&W allowed "students" (no offense implied) to assemble FBI contract pistols. Presumably all the students in your class assembled 10 pistols leading to me to believe that 100's of FBI pistols were assembled by students. In all my years of research I have never run across this information. To me, if corroborated, it is one more indicator that S&W failed to take the FBI Contract seriously. It makes me wonder if some of the problems experienced by the FBI with the FBI 1076s might be attributed to inexperienced, non-expert, non-S&W employee, student gunsmiths assembled critical law enforcement pistols for the largest Federal law enforcement agency. Can any one else comment on Amory School students assembling Contract weapons, FBI or any other agency?
JCR575
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I have received my Letter of Authenticity from Roy G. Jinks and with great news. TFS3680 is a genuine FBI 1076. I am very excited to have been able to purchase an FBI model. Here are a few more pics for those interested. Thank you all again for this learning experience. Jay.
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Mainsail
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I called S&W this morning to get the original sale history of my 1076. The CS guy was fantastic; he looked it up and it has a manufacture date of January 1991 and was sold to the VA State Police. So my TFP3XXX was NOT an FBI gun.
Boy some guys have all the luck, I called and like yours Jan 91 but that is all the info I was given except that it's probably not FBI but might be? Waiting for the History page to come back up so I can roll the dice. Thanks for all the info guys/gals
dmc8163
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To all members: I am looking for FBI 1076, THB9153, my original service pistol. Please check your pistols and let me know if you locate this weapon. Thanks, dmc8163
JCR575
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Here is my LNIB 1076. Dmc8163 has provided some interesting information about my black trigger late shipment FBI 1076. Perhaps he will share. Thanks again Dave.
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The easy way to tell is very simple. The FBI pistol doen't have the cutout for the magazine disconnect which is on the left side of the slide! Take your slide off the pistol! On the right side you will see a round silver button. This is the firing pin block! On the left side of the slide of the commercial pistol there will be another silver object which is the mag safety. That is to say, when the mag is out of the pistol it will not fire! This was never in the FBI Contract Pistol! The story is much to long to go into here!!
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There are guns out there that match your description to a T that are not FBI guns. I know, I have one. Mine lettered as being shipped to Auburn Hills police department. No magazine disconnect in mine (and no warning label either). Palm swell grips and night sights too.
Did you notice the "U" on the trigger guard? This was frequently stamped on "used" guns returned to the factory for a refresh before reselling. My 4013 had a second label over the original too.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-semi-auto-pistols/358705-s-w-4013-u-used-gun.html
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FBI 1076 Pistol
I direct you attention to the last sentence of my post, "The story is much to long to go into here!!" The 1076 was a direct result to a FBI request for a new pistol. Once in production, other law enforcement agencies jumped on the contract!! It is my understanding that all law enforcement sold pistols were of the FBI type of which I discribed. When the contract went south, the pistols sold to John Q. Public all had the magizine disconnect. None of the FBI contract pistols have a magizine disconnect. The point! YOU CAN ID AN FBI CONTRACT PISTOL BY LOOKING FOR A MAGIZINE DISCONNECT! IF IT'S THERE, IT'S NOT AN FBI CONTRACT DESIGN PISTOL.
I direct you attention to the last sentence of my post, "The story is much to long to go into here!!" The 1076 was a direct result to a FBI request for a new pistol. Once in production, other law enforcement agencies jumped on the contract!! It is my understanding that all law enforcement sold pistols were of the FBI type of which I discribed. When the contract went south, the pistols sold to John Q. Public all had the magizine disconnect. None of the FBI contract pistols have a magizine disconnect. The point! YOU CAN ID AN FBI CONTRACT PISTOL BY LOOKING FOR A MAGIZINE DISCONNECT! IF IT'S THERE, IT'S NOT AN FBI CONTRACT DESIGN PISTOL.
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I followed the public information released when the FBI tested and adopted the 10mm and the 1076. I sort of expected to see other federal agencies follow suit, but not aware that any did. I attended training at the FBI Academy in 1996, and was surprised to see FBI SAs all carry Si P226/228 instead. Word was that the 1076s were being repaired for some unspecified defect. I didn't get to fire one until 1999 when I attended an FBI regional firearms instructor school. While it didn't do anything for me, I did note that there were a handful of FBI agents who did like the gun and were hanging onto them as long as possible, even well into the Glock transition.
One thing I wish would change is the DOJ's policy, first implemented by AG Reno that prohibited Justice agencies from trading in used duty weapons when transitioning to new ones. It sure removed a lot of desirable handguns from circulation, and not just FBI guns.
One thing I wish would change is the DOJ's policy, first implemented by AG Reno that prohibited Justice agencies from trading in used duty weapons when transitioning to new ones. It sure removed a lot of desirable handguns from circulation, and not just FBI guns.
CBus660R
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But the way you worded your initial post comes off as all non-disconnect 1076s are FBI guns when that is not the case. They are simply guns built to the contract specs and sold to LEOs. My 1076 isn't worth what an actual FBI delivered gun is worth, but to someone who read your post without knowing the full story might pay FBI prices for my gun. Maybe I shouldn't have pointed that out. Rats!
dotdsd334
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It was a GREAT 1076 FBI day at my house! Took delivery of 2 of them.
1st....1076 FBI Performance Center. Original PC case with label.
2nd....Late issue black trigger 1076 FBI. Letters to Quantico....original box with FBI end label intact.
(Ran out of daylight for the photo....but had to post.....pics to follow soon)
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1st....1076 FBI Performance Center. Original PC case with label.
2nd....Late issue black trigger 1076 FBI. Letters to Quantico....original box with FBI end label intact.
(Ran out of daylight for the photo....but had to post.....pics to follow soon)
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