FBI RM
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You are 100%, smack-dab, right on the money!
I can see Doug Wesson, sitting at his desk and staring off into the distance. He's thinking , "You know, as bad as things are, there are more than a few folks out there who have money; and we need some of it---as much as we can get------or we're going to be in deep trouble!! The question is how can we go about getting it?" And that was the starting point for what came to be the Registered Magnum program----something special for special people.
When you consider the startling impact of very few RM sales had on total sales early on, that becomes abundantly clear. And when you consider what seems to be an uncommonly large percentage of RM's surviving the years in pretty much flat mint condition, you can see a bunch of of those special people bought something special---just because it was made (and PRESENTED) as something special----and put it in their sock drawer.
And then other folks bought other S&W's just because they were kin to something special.
God bless them---every one!
And the rest, as they say, is history!
Ralph Tremaine
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It would mean that Don Mundell was Spanish?
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Hey Guys, Please excuse me if approach has already suggested this particular approach, as I just came across this in today's E-Mail. You may wish to consult with Former S/A Larry Wack, who runs a Website pertaining to the Agents of the 1930's & thereabouts. He can be contacted at: Faded Glory: Dusty Roads Of An FBI Era
GOOD LUCK !!
Best, Dom P.
GOOD LUCK !!
Best, Dom P.
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dpast32
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Sorry, He was a really nice guy & assisted me more than once. Someone must be maintaining his Website as I checked prior to mentioning it here & it appeared to be still active ?
Dom P.
Dom P.
Hill536
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I doubt it was a typo. James to Jomer is stretch of the keyboard in involving two hands and an error easily found if proof read.
The meaning of Homer has no significance as we are likely dealing with a name thats been heard when spoken.
Lastly the FBI agents have an official name known as a “Bu Name”. Its what is on their birth certificate. They may be widely known by all as something else but the “bu name” is what is used when they are signing or receiving docs etc. I know of one guy “bu named” named John C. xxx. The “C” was for Casey. He was known by everyone as K.C. and often memos to him would be addressed K.C. xxxxx. The Bureau had no such employee.
I would send a FOIA to the FBI or inquire if their historian who likely get the info you want. Good luck!
The meaning of Homer has no significance as we are likely dealing with a name thats been heard when spoken.
Lastly the FBI agents have an official name known as a “Bu Name”. Its what is on their birth certificate. They may be widely known by all as something else but the “bu name” is what is used when they are signing or receiving docs etc. I know of one guy “bu named” named John C. xxx. The “C” was for Casey. He was known by everyone as K.C. and often memos to him would be addressed K.C. xxxxx. The Bureau had no such employee.
I would send a FOIA to the FBI or inquire if their historian who likely get the info you want. Good luck!
OP
kwill1911
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As I understand it, it's not about a typo. It's about misreading a signature. Could you mistake the "a" for an "o" or "s" for an "r" in any of these?
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Good point Kevin. Looks like Etta Jomer to me.
A signature or even if the typist was working from a document that was written in cursive.
A signature or even if the typist was working from a document that was written in cursive.
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New member with zero to contribute but thanks for this story & excellent detective work...this is great. More please..
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Etta James (born Jamesetta Hawkins) was one of my favorite jazz and R&B artists...
...Ben
kwill1911
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Sure! But what did you think about Etta Jomer?
She was highly skilled on the paper kazoo, but she couldn't take direction...She was fired by the conductor of every kazoo orchestra she sat with because she wanted to hum out of tune with the other instrumentalists...Sadly she ended her days wrapping overseas shipments for the Ace Hard Rubber Comb Co...Sure! But what did you think about Etta Jomer?
...Ben
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All this reminds me of an old phone book ad I saw years ago with some typos in it. We had a camera store so always looked at our competitors ads.
There was a camera called Pentax. In the ad it was Penfax. Miranda was Mirando. One that had us stumped was Ninoy. We thought and thought and finally figured out that was Minox with 2 typos.
There was a camera called Pentax. In the ad it was Penfax. Miranda was Mirando. One that had us stumped was Ninoy. We thought and thought and finally figured out that was Minox with 2 typos.
After all this there is no doubt in my mind that "cm" misread the writing on the request she typed and thought it was Jomer instead of James. Only one FBI agent in San Antonio at the time with a middle initial of C and last name of White. Go with it!
OFT II
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It only takes one mis-key to make a typo and the J key is next to the H key.
Hill536
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Dave just my $.02
The S&W historian reveals the RM was sent to Potchernick'in 1935.
The RM was sent to S&W for repair by Potchernick's on 12/11/36 and that letter indicated the RM was owned by FBI Agent Jomer C. White.
Until that time S&W‘s only record revealed the RM was shipped to Potchernick's.
The only question that really needs answered and will never be known is why Potchernick's secretary “cm” typed Jomer C. White. Audible or written error, typo or carelessness, calling it s 375. The run on sentence plus all of these errors makes “cm” a not too efficient secretary.
One thing you can check is that 12/11/36 was a Friday. Maybe that explains it!
The S&W historian reveals the RM was sent to Potchernick'in 1935.
The RM was sent to S&W for repair by Potchernick's on 12/11/36 and that letter indicated the RM was owned by FBI Agent Jomer C. White.
Until that time S&W‘s only record revealed the RM was shipped to Potchernick's.
The only question that really needs answered and will never be known is why Potchernick's secretary “cm” typed Jomer C. White. Audible or written error, typo or carelessness, calling it s 375. The run on sentence plus all of these errors makes “cm” a not too efficient secretary.
One thing you can check is that 12/11/36 was a Friday. Maybe that explains it!
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Hill536
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Here is a family provided biography of James Castle White.
FBI Special Agent, James C. "Doc" White ("Doc" White) (1924-1947)
Photos of SA James "Doc" White can be found in our photo gallery. (Note: Some of the below was provided by White's great nephew, James M. White, in addition to some data previously supplied by our retired agent colleague who reviewed White's file for an article on him and his brother, Thomas.)
James Campbell "Doc" White, was born in 1884 in the family home at Austin, Texas. His father was sheriff of Travis County for many years and his brothers, Dudley and Tom, served as Texas Rangers. "Doc" joined the Texas Rangers in 1905., serving under the legendary Ranger, Captain John R. Hughes. Author Zane Grey spent three months trailing him around once, to gather material for one of his books. White left the Rangers early in 1908 and, until joining the Bureau on December 1, 1924, served as an Austin, Texas Police Officer, mounted U.S. Customs Inspector, 1st Lieutenant in U.S. Army Intelligence and Prohibition Agent in the U.S. Treasury Department.
He married Ashby LeNoir McCulloch in 1907 at Austin. She was the granddaughter of General Henry E. McCulloch, CSA and great-niece of General Ben McCulloch, both being generals in the Confederate Army. "Doc" and LeNoir had no children.
"Doc" attended Bickler's College and Griffith's Business College in Austin. He was first employed as an oiler in the Austin Electrical pumping plant, then a brakeman on the Old Austin Northwestern Railway, now the Southern Pacific.
White entered the FBI as a special agent in 1924. According to a note in the FBI's "Grapevine" magazine in 1960, "he had quite a bullet spattered career by the time he joined the Bureau in 1924." One of his Bureau peers, Andrew Longo, told the "Grapevine" White was a great firearms man. "He was especially deadly with a 30.06 rifle and Tommy gun and was assigned to squads that helped end Dillinger's career and the Ma Barker gang in Florida." Longo mentioned that "Doc" was a legend throughout the Southwest and was among the best known Special Agents.
FBI documents show White's presence at the famous gun battle in Wisconsin at the Little Bohemia Lodge in April, 1934 when the Bureau attempted to capture Dillinger, Nelson and others who were visiting the Lodge.
"Doc" was known for his ability to direct and lead a group of Agents on raids and dangerous assignments. On January 8, 1935, he and other SAs cornered fugitive Russell Gibson at a location in Chicago. Gibson, wearing a bulletproof vest, decided to charge White's position firing both a rifle and pistol. Using a .351 rifle he had captured in the raid on Dillinger's hideout at Little Bohemia a year before, White returned fire, killing Gibson.
On January 16, 1935, White and a squad of Agents, armed with tommyguns and gas guns, and led by SAC E. J. Connelley, surrounded a farm house in Oklawaha, Florida. Inside they had cornered Kate "Ma" Barker and her son Fred. Connelley later wrote,"At the time I was endeavoring to induce these two parties to leave the house and surrender, they fired upon me. Due to the effective return fire of Agent White, who was at my right hand side behind a tree, I was able to fall back and return their fire at this same time. Undoubtedly the effective fire of Agent White distracted the Barkers sufficiently to confuse their aim, resulting in no injury to anyone. They also at this time fired upon Agent White."
At the shootout with "Ma" Barker and her son, "Doc" White is mentioned in Charles Winstead's "expense records" on this site and White's statement regarding that shooting (and more) is also in the navigation area regarding the Barker incident.
During World War II, White worked on a number of Espionage, Sabotage and Escaped Prisoner of War cases.
(His brother, Thomas B. White, was a Special Agent from 1917 - 1927 and also came from the Texas Rangers. He resigned from the FBI to take a position with the Bureau Of Prisons and began that career as the acting warden of Levenworth Penitentiary. As of 1960, Tom White's son was also a Special Agent with the FBI.)
"Doc" White retired from the FBI in 1947 and in 1960, he was living in Austin, Texas. He died in February, 1969.
Check the photo gallery for photos of "Doc" White supplied to us by his great nephew, James M. White.
Here is the link!
Agents Of The '30s - Biographies
FBI Special Agent, James C. "Doc" White ("Doc" White) (1924-1947)
Photos of SA James "Doc" White can be found in our photo gallery. (Note: Some of the below was provided by White's great nephew, James M. White, in addition to some data previously supplied by our retired agent colleague who reviewed White's file for an article on him and his brother, Thomas.)
James Campbell "Doc" White, was born in 1884 in the family home at Austin, Texas. His father was sheriff of Travis County for many years and his brothers, Dudley and Tom, served as Texas Rangers. "Doc" joined the Texas Rangers in 1905., serving under the legendary Ranger, Captain John R. Hughes. Author Zane Grey spent three months trailing him around once, to gather material for one of his books. White left the Rangers early in 1908 and, until joining the Bureau on December 1, 1924, served as an Austin, Texas Police Officer, mounted U.S. Customs Inspector, 1st Lieutenant in U.S. Army Intelligence and Prohibition Agent in the U.S. Treasury Department.
He married Ashby LeNoir McCulloch in 1907 at Austin. She was the granddaughter of General Henry E. McCulloch, CSA and great-niece of General Ben McCulloch, both being generals in the Confederate Army. "Doc" and LeNoir had no children.
"Doc" attended Bickler's College and Griffith's Business College in Austin. He was first employed as an oiler in the Austin Electrical pumping plant, then a brakeman on the Old Austin Northwestern Railway, now the Southern Pacific.
White entered the FBI as a special agent in 1924. According to a note in the FBI's "Grapevine" magazine in 1960, "he had quite a bullet spattered career by the time he joined the Bureau in 1924." One of his Bureau peers, Andrew Longo, told the "Grapevine" White was a great firearms man. "He was especially deadly with a 30.06 rifle and Tommy gun and was assigned to squads that helped end Dillinger's career and the Ma Barker gang in Florida." Longo mentioned that "Doc" was a legend throughout the Southwest and was among the best known Special Agents.
FBI documents show White's presence at the famous gun battle in Wisconsin at the Little Bohemia Lodge in April, 1934 when the Bureau attempted to capture Dillinger, Nelson and others who were visiting the Lodge.
"Doc" was known for his ability to direct and lead a group of Agents on raids and dangerous assignments. On January 8, 1935, he and other SAs cornered fugitive Russell Gibson at a location in Chicago. Gibson, wearing a bulletproof vest, decided to charge White's position firing both a rifle and pistol. Using a .351 rifle he had captured in the raid on Dillinger's hideout at Little Bohemia a year before, White returned fire, killing Gibson.
On January 16, 1935, White and a squad of Agents, armed with tommyguns and gas guns, and led by SAC E. J. Connelley, surrounded a farm house in Oklawaha, Florida. Inside they had cornered Kate "Ma" Barker and her son Fred. Connelley later wrote,"At the time I was endeavoring to induce these two parties to leave the house and surrender, they fired upon me. Due to the effective return fire of Agent White, who was at my right hand side behind a tree, I was able to fall back and return their fire at this same time. Undoubtedly the effective fire of Agent White distracted the Barkers sufficiently to confuse their aim, resulting in no injury to anyone. They also at this time fired upon Agent White."
At the shootout with "Ma" Barker and her son, "Doc" White is mentioned in Charles Winstead's "expense records" on this site and White's statement regarding that shooting (and more) is also in the navigation area regarding the Barker incident.
During World War II, White worked on a number of Espionage, Sabotage and Escaped Prisoner of War cases.
(His brother, Thomas B. White, was a Special Agent from 1917 - 1927 and also came from the Texas Rangers. He resigned from the FBI to take a position with the Bureau Of Prisons and began that career as the acting warden of Levenworth Penitentiary. As of 1960, Tom White's son was also a Special Agent with the FBI.)
"Doc" White retired from the FBI in 1947 and in 1960, he was living in Austin, Texas. He died in February, 1969.
Check the photo gallery for photos of "Doc" White supplied to us by his great nephew, James M. White.
Here is the link!
Agents Of The '30s - Biographies
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