Went to local indoor public range today in Boise Idaho rather than my normal outdoor range (cold). At this place they sell and also rent handguns and AR's/FN's etc. Found myself waiting behind a middle eastern young man (23-27yr old heavy accent) and his girlfriend to pay for range time. It was clear he had no experience with guns and he wanted to fire the FN semi auto assault style weapon. They had to show him how to load it and take it inside the range and orientate him on how it worked. Not phobic but hairs on arms tingled a bit. Thought to myself i shouldn't have this feeling because I'm a nice person. The other voice in my head was saying, hey pay attention to your instinct and be observant, screw being PC.
Feeling uneasy at range today.
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gunnails
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So did they buy the FN, did they appear to enjoy there shoot?
Welcome to late 2015.
I share your pain and your feelings. Remain vigilant.
I share your pain and your feelings. Remain vigilant.
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ordy
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I think all of us are becoming a little wary when we see things like that. The acts of zealotry and the way they are handled by the media are making us s/w paranoid. Our 'live and let live' attitudes are changing in a negative way. We have become suspicious and maybe a little afraid. Ask yourself how you would feel if it were a cute couple from the farm land asking the same questions. I refuse to allow suspicion, fear and prejudice to overrule my common sense. That being said, I will continue to be vigilant and situationally aware just as I am every other day.
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It's a tough call...... goes against our nature......but
We taught 20 young men to fly planes a little over 14 years ago
It's been reported that the SB shooters spent a lot of time a local ranges........
New interest in semi-auto assault style weapons and how they work.....
Did you see "a dot"?????.........they can't connect them if they don't know about them........as a police officer you should have a way to pass it up the chain.
Reread your own last 3 sentences ........and follow your gut.
We taught 20 young men to fly planes a little over 14 years ago
It's been reported that the SB shooters spent a lot of time a local ranges........
New interest in semi-auto assault style weapons and how they work.....
Did you see "a dot"?????.........they can't connect them if they don't know about them........as a police officer you should have a way to pass it up the chain.
Reread your own last 3 sentences ........and follow your gut.
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10mmauto
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I guess I'm not quite following, here. You have a badge icon, so I assume you are law enforcement. What did you do? Did you ask the range people for his name? Did you ask if they had a copy of his ID? If they said that was private information, did you let them know you were a police officer? If they continued to refuse, did you advise them that they should make sure to maintain whatever records they had so that once you advised your investigators/detectives what happened, they would still have the records for when the detectives/investigators came in?
Did you get the license plate of the guy's car? Did you follow him to see where he went/lived? Did you pass whatever information you had onto HSI or the FBI?
The time for political correctness has passed. The time to worry about "profiling" has passed. We are constantly telling people that if they "see something, say something." We have to take our own advice.
As an aside, if your "sixth sense" was telling you something, trust it.
Arik
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Look at his BIO. Retired prison warden
Don't you need proper cause for all that? Skin color, accent and guns are all legal. If a black guy came in wearing baggy pants and an oversized shirt, talking ghetto would you do the same? Should you ask him his religion? Would you let a guy with a shaved head and Swastika tattoos rent a gun?
Middle East isn't as full of Muslims as people think.
Christians in the middle east
Egypt - 11 million
Syria - 2.3 million
Lebanon - 1.8 million
Iraq - 300,000
Iran - 370,000
Palestine - 50,000
Jordan - 400,000
Don't get me wrong I understand where your coming from but the guy didn't do anything illegal and he could very well not even be middle eastern. Without the turbans ever try to see if you can tell a difference between an Indian and a Pakistani?
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Mainsail
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Terrorists usually don't go to the range to learn how to shoot, they go to practice what they learned in terrorist training camps.
For all we know they were there to learn how to protect themselves from radical anti-Muslims who judge by the level of pigmentation in another's skin.
When I was active duty we spent a lot of time in Bahrain, Cairo, UAE, and all the other so-called hot spots. I observed many 'middle easterners' playing ball in the yard with their children, shopping, etc.. Remember that what you see in the media will always be someone else's point of view. We know that just from the RTKABA debate.
Or they could have been practicing for the next mass murder; who knows.
For all we know they were there to learn how to protect themselves from radical anti-Muslims who judge by the level of pigmentation in another's skin.
When I was active duty we spent a lot of time in Bahrain, Cairo, UAE, and all the other so-called hot spots. I observed many 'middle easterners' playing ball in the yard with their children, shopping, etc.. Remember that what you see in the media will always be someone else's point of view. We know that just from the RTKABA debate.
Or they could have been practicing for the next mass murder; who knows.
I saw a story the other day about a "Muslim looking"(her words) woman who went into a Dicks Sporting Goods somewhere in Cali, bought 8 boxes of .223, and the clerk called the police. She's planning a lawsuit.
Think about it....a Muslim "looking" woman buying multiple boxes of .223 ammunition. What comes to mind is the obvious "Red Flag" paranoia - it is not the norm. She is purchasing a fair amount of ammunition for what? To make a statement, to challenge anyone who questions her, to promote a lawsuit for profiling or is she just buying ammunition for the range?
You don't know her motives but she has to know it does cause suspicion in this day and age.
You don't know her motives but she has to know it does cause suspicion in this day and age.
keith44spl
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Ya know, I had one of those moments one time....
I was on a flight from Anchorage to Houston.
There was a couple of mid-eastern fellers boarding behind me, one was wearing a cap with the screen printed likeness of a halibut on it.
So, I'm asking about the fishing and such, just making small talk...They didn't know what a halibut was.
I'll always wonder about that...it was September 8th, 2001...
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I was on a flight from Anchorage to Houston.
There was a couple of mid-eastern fellers boarding behind me, one was wearing a cap with the screen printed likeness of a halibut on it.
So, I'm asking about the fishing and such, just making small talk...They didn't know what a halibut was.
I'll always wonder about that...it was September 8th, 2001...
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Maybe all the paranoia and hyperbole have made her nervous and she's exercising her right to self defense?
^^^^ There's your answer. In today's world with the events happening here and abroad, survival may very well depend on listening to that little voice that tells you something may be a threat ............. doesn't mean you over-react, but means it's just smart to be on a higher alert level. JMO
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Maybe she is trying to cause a scene. In the end, if she creates enough of a stir, Dick's will just stop selling 223 to avoid future problems. Situation stinks. If she is really legal and above board, she should be happy Dick's is paying attention.
Will the real Martian please stand up 
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O59FvNYA1Fw[/ame]
https://video.search.yahoo.com/vide...k&sigi=11v2mrrru&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O59FvNYA1Fw[/ame]
https://video.search.yahoo.com/vide...k&sigi=11v2mrrru&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001
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Comrad
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They've got us where they want us.
If you see something say something, year right. how is that possible?
The train station across the street where I work was evacuated and guys dressed in black with machine guns took the place over because somebody left their lunch on a train.
Meanwhile a brown bag full of explosives can be deposited in the trash can and nobody will blink an eye. Matter of fact they will be congratulated for keeping the platform clean.
We're in trouble here.
If you see something say something, year right. how is that possible?
The train station across the street where I work was evacuated and guys dressed in black with machine guns took the place over because somebody left their lunch on a train.
Meanwhile a brown bag full of explosives can be deposited in the trash can and nobody will blink an eye. Matter of fact they will be congratulated for keeping the platform clean.
We're in trouble here.
10mmauto
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Will the real Martian please stand up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O59FvNYA1Fw
https://video.search.yahoo.com/vide...k&sigi=11v2mrrru&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001
That was an excellent episode. Rod Serling was so far ahead of his time, you'd almost think...he might.....have been.......an alien!(?)
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