Feeling uneasy at range today.

[ladder13]

Maybe the kid that cried WOLF, cried it to many times? I was in Heidelberg, Germany when the USS Cole was attacked, I saw the attitude towards Amis by some from the middle east, and it wasn't a good attitude either. The next day I was in Frankfurt waiting for my flight back here, and was being watched by a tall arab ''gentleman.'' To make a long story short, he was watching me and I knew it but didn't let on. After leaving a tourist trap shop, left and was going to head upstairs. Well, a funny thing happened, he didn't see a squad of armed German soldiers and almost walked into one as he was too busy watching me. He saw the soldiers at the last moment and went away as fast as possible. The soldiers were grinning and I walked up to them trying my limited German. One asked me if I knew that guy was watching me? I said I'd noticed he was for at least 15 minutes. The German asked me what I'd do if the guy tried something? I grinned and opened a huge leather bag I had that had four or five bier steins in it. I simply said I'd have bashed his head in. They laughed. I have kept in touch with one of these soldiers since Oct 15th 2000. Ulrich is a good friend, and who is still serving with the Gebirgejagers. The Germans feel like most of us on this subject.

Don't mess with the Polizei I was in Frankfurt airport in '82, before most of this terrorist stuff, they had that place covered very well.

 

[snuffy51]

Read all the posts in this thread. Made me feel better about just living simple and slow in my own small world. Only time I've been to "the range"" is several years ago for my required CCW class and qualification. Range USA in Memphis, very nice place but too many people. I didn't know anyone. One whole day. Have access to a lot of private land around here for shooting anytime, at least weekly and most times more. Go armed and aware all the time, am comfortable with that. Can't fix the world, but I can control where I go. Maybe just lucky to be born and live in a great state. Hope everything ends up right for everyone. Hopefully sooner than later. If you don't vote, you don't have any right to complain.

 

[the ringo kid]

Don't mess with the Polizei I was in Frankfurt airport in '82, before most of this terrorist stuff, they had that place covered very well.

I remember a story a friend of mine told me, when it comes to the Polizei. My friend Dan, was in the Army ASA and stationed I think in Kotterbach? and had many German friends and spoke Deutsch fluently. One time he was drinking with some German friends who also were in a Fallschirmjager unit. Some rowdy G.Is came in and soon started a fight with the German paratroopers. Dan said the paras cleaned house with them, then the polizei arrived. One G.I had a knife, was told once--ONCE, to drop it. He didn't, and they dropped him. Now if Dan was embellishing this or not? I can't say but, I learned not to mess with German cops.

 

[chaparrito]

My 23 year old son just grew out his beard for the first time. He's dark skinned and has a black beard and hair. Somebody called the cops on him for Buying Ammo While Brown I'd happily help him sue the pants off everybody in sight.

 

[BAM-BAM]

Following the thread it looks like about 50/50 on .......see something/say something........or maybe not.

Wonder if Massad Ayoob.....buys his ammo at Dick's.................

Sure would hate to be a plumber of middle eastern decent who has to shop for pipe at Home Depot.


Short of a felony in progress; I guess "they" need to tell us what exactly we're looking for so we'll know it when we see it!



I remember playing those connect the dots games when I was a kid........life was easier when I was a kid.........I liked Ike!

 

[BAM-BAM]

My 23 year old son just grew out his beard for the first time. He's dark skinned and has a black beard and hair. Somebody called the cops on him for Buying Ammo While Brown I'd happily help him sue the pants off everybody in sight.

Ah..... the new american way.......so why don't you turn in your concealed carry .......and just carry a lawyer! I'm sure you can get a "deep pockets" holster for the retainer..........


I seem to have a vague recollection of the same being done to those of Irish decent ...... pale skin and red hair ..... up around Boston..............about 80/90 years ago....... they were shipping guns and ammo to the IRA.

Seems we need to find a way to hang together or we will most certainly hang separately.......heard that somewhere before!!!!!!

 

[handejector]

The Germans feel like most of us on this subject.

Don't mess with the Polizei I was in Frankfurt airport in '82, before most of this terrorist stuff, they had that place covered very well.

After the debacle in Munich, I would certainly hope they have learned something.......

 

[cmort666]

Thought to myself i shouldn't have this feeling because I'm a nice person. The other voice in my head was saying, hey pay attention to your instinct and be observant, screw being PC.

I'm sure at least some of the 14 in San Bernardino were "nice persons". They're still dead.

I'm NOT a nice person and I don't have any problem at all entertaining the thought of potential threats.

 

[cmort666]

Ulrich is a good friend, and who is still serving with the Gebirgejagers. The Germans feel like most of us on this subject.

From what I read, the German military is in DESPERATE shape.

Between having essentially no serviceable rifles in the Bundeswehr and the Luftwaffe just barely scraping by in terms of flyable Tornadoes, it looks they're racing the Brits to the bottom.

I wonder what they'd do if ISIS decided to call an intifada in Germany.

 

[the ringo kid]

After the debacle in Munich, I would certainly hope they have learned something.......

They have, and most are starting to turn against merkle because of her dubious policies. Recently, the Bavarian govt stood up to her about those migrants and voted in laws to protect their state. That's where my friend Ulrich lives.

 

[the ringo kid]

From what I read, the German military is in DESPERATE shape.

Between having essentially no serviceable rifles in the Bundeswehr and the Luftwaffe just barely scraping by in terms of flyable Tornadoes, it looks they're racing the Brits to the bottom.

I wonder what they'd do if ISIS decided to call an intifada in Germany.

Not totally true. I do know the Gebirgejagers and Fallschirm, are in excellent shape. The gebirgejagers are army units, the Fallschirm are still Bundeswaffe. Now, I don't know what the condition is of other units? but the specialized units are in top form. When I was there 15 years ago, their navy was also good, but that was 15 years ago. When I stayed in Laboe, Moltenort, you saw many warships coming and going from Cuxhaven? all the time, and they looked pretty sharp.

 

[cmort666]

Not totally true. I do know the Gebirgejagers and Fallschirm, are in excellent shape. The gebirgejagers are army units, the Fallschirm are still Bundeswaffe. Now, I don't know what the condition is of other units? but the specialized units are in top form. When I was there 15 years ago, their navy was also good, but that was 15 years ago. When I stayed in Laboe, Moltenort, you saw many warships coming and going from Cuxhaven? all the time, and they looked pretty sharp.

Have you heard about the G36 fiasco?

In Afghanistan it was discovered that the G36 rifle is prone to SEVERE zero wander during prolonged engagements. H&K's response amounted to, "We didn't anticipate you shooting THAT much." I believe that the Defense Ministry has proclaimed words to the effect of, "The G36 has no future with the Federal armed forces."

I believe that the warisboring.com site recently ran a story on availability rates for Luftwaffe Tornadoes, and they were appalling.

I can't speak at all to the state of the Bundesmarine.

 

[Philadelphia Patriot]

If I wore a Molon Labe t-shirt to my range, and an off duty/retired LEO thought I was a domestic terrorist, I'd probably laugh my butt off.

...Now if that off duty/retired LEO had the gun shop owner relinquish my information without a warrant, then I'd be extremely......let's just say angry.

 

[the ringo kid]

Have you heard about the G36 fiasco?

In Afghanistan it was discovered that the G36 rifle is prone to SEVERE zero wander during prolonged engagements. H&K's response amounted to, "We didn't anticipate you shooting THAT much." I believe that the Defense Ministry has proclaimed words to the effect of, "The G36 has no future with the Federal armed forces."

I believe that the warisboring.com site recently ran a story on availability rates for Luftwaffe Tornadoes, and they were appalling.

I can't speak at all to the state of the Bundesmarine.

Can't say I have heard of that. Only recently I've heard of the Germans tornado craft. At least the bundeswaffe are no longer dying trying to fly the Starfighter.

 

[the ringo kid]

If I wore a Molon Labe t-shirt to my range, and an off duty/retired LEO thought I was a domestic terrorist, I'd probably laugh my butt off.

...Now if that off duty/retired LEO had the gun shop owner relinquish my information without a warrant, then I'd be extremely......let's just say angry.

At last weekends gun show, a LEO/friend of mine wanted to know where I bought my cap from? that had a velcro patch with a Spartan Helmut and Molon Labe//in Greek//spelled on it. I hadn't had time to tell him I got it at last months show. I left, came back and gave him a cap like mine with the patch on it and said, Merry Christmas. As he was in uniform, he didn't wear it. $20.00 ain't as much as I'd like to give for a gift but, my friend loves that cap.

 

[BC38]

One thing I haven't seen mentioned here is that the neighbors of the San Bernardino shooters reported (after the fact) that they saw suspicious activity - lots of young middle eastern men coming and going at all hours, often carrying or loading/unloading boxes at the residence that in the aftermath the police described as "an IED factory".

Why didn't they say anything? Because they were "nice" people and were afraid of appearing racist if they said anything. Just think how different the lives of all those people affected by the mass shooting would be if those neighbors had said "To HECK with being PC, what's going on there looks suspicious, and I'm reporting it!"

Don't let the fear of being perceived as a racist or as "profiling" someone discourage you from reporting something that doesn't look, feel, or seem right. It is much better to be wrong and have your suspicions turn out to be unfounded than to find out after the fact that you could have prevented something horrific by speaking up - but instead people were massacred because you didn't.

 

[35Rem]

I'd say that a Middle Eastern person, quite possibly an American citizen, in the political climate of today, in this country, is in way more danger from redneck Americans, than we are from them. You don't know if they were Muslim, and you certainly don't know if they were in any way radicals. Would you know if they were Indian instead? There have been Muslims in our society since it was founded, with really no problems until 9/11, by radicals who really just use religion for an excuse for their hatred. I know that if I looked like one of them, I'd damn sure be armed, and not with just a shotgun or deer rifle. Especially if I read threads like this. We had attitudes like this around 1900 about Italians and Irish immigrants, who were widely thought to be anarchists. Just because they look Middle Eastern, doesn't mean they just got off the plane from Syria.

What some of you guys aren't understanding is that these Middle Eastern terrorist groups are recruiting people that are already in-country, be it US, France, England, wherever, through social media and through family members who are still in the Middle East.

 

[BC38]

What some of you guys aren't understanding is that these Middle Eastern terrorist groups are recruiting people that are already in-country, be it US, France, England, wherever, through social media and through family members who are still in the Middle East.

Actually I think most of us do "get it".

The San Bernardino shooters were home grown - or at least the male was. He apparently went to the middle east to bring home his bride, but they were living right there in the community.

That doesn't change the fact that they are of Arab extraction and were involved in suspicious activity before they went on their rampage. And that is what this thread is about - seeing people that fit a certain description - a "profile" if you will - that are doing things or behaving in ways that might indicate something may be amiss.

We had reports of a couple of swarthy fellows with middle eastern accents at a local gun show recently who were wandering around asking about where to buy several "assault rifles". When entering they were asked if they were armed and informed of the rules against carrying loaded weapons in the show - just like everyone else. The magazines were removed from their Glocks and zip ties inserted in the magazine well through the ejection port, per show rules.

It was reported that later on they were observed to have removed the zip ties and reloaded their weapons. When confronted by security about it they were found to each have multiple loaded handguns and multiple spare magazines - all fully loaded. They were escorted from the premises and allowed to leave since what they did was not illegal - merely in violation of the rules established by the show promoters. Local law enforcement is looking into the incident.

This was all discussed in our local gun forum and believe it or not there were a couple of members who were positively outraged that anyone would have cast a suspicious eye at these fellows. How DARE anyone pay any special attention to these particular individuals due to their ethnicity and obvious interest in high capacity rifles. Never mind that the suspicion of their being up to no good was borne out by the fact that they were not only armed to the teeth, but had reloaded the only weapons they were honest enough to disclose when asked - in direct violation of the rules that were clearly explained and demonstrated to them upon their entering the show. Some of the objecting members even went so far as to call the folks who said they witnessed the events first hand LIARS - in a public forum!

Some people apparently believe that we all need to wear PC blinders or stick our heads in the sand (or somewhere else) until the bullets actually start flying. I don't happen to agree with that myself.