FINALLY.....M&P M2.0 10 MM

[Echo40]

i don't know. i'd still carry the 9mm so i can make numerous follow up shots

Typically speaking, you've got time for one, maybe two shots before a charging bear clears the distance between you, so folks generally opt for a more powerful cartridge which will do maximum damage in a single shot.

That being said, if you insist on carrying a 9mm into the Wilderness, then load it with +P FMJ for maximum penetration.

 

[Goblin]

It is too bad it isn't being offered in at least a 5 inch barrel for hunting in my state. That's a big miss in my opinion. Hopefully they come out with one down the road.

Perhaps the aftermarket will step up. Out of curiosity, do you know if your state would allow hunting with a 5” barrel extending from the slide of an original 4” gun?

 

[hook63]

So where are all the youtube videos'?

 

[pacecars]

Perhaps the aftermarket will step up. Out of curiosity, do you know if your state would allow hunting with a 5” barrel extending from the slide of an original 4” gun?

I would imagine as long as the barrel is 5 inches the slide length won’t matter. Depending on the state you might have to have a 5 inch barrel from the end of the chamber. Some states make up stupid rules

 

[M29since14]

I hope those giant sights can be replaced with standard
height sights, and the trigger can be replaced with a standard
M&P 2.0 trigger. Do not like triggers with blades in them.
A 5 inch would be my first choice, but I can accept a 4.6 inch.

What Neal said times two. The guns I see in the link are a bit of a disappointment for me, particularly owing to the blade-style trigger. Maybe other models will eventually come along… I guess I’m in no hurry.

 

[biku324]

This with 200 grain FMJ will be good for horseback, where you want enough penetration to humanely put down a badly injured horse.

 

[charlie sherrill]

I would like to have one in combat mode. I don't want the optics, exterior safety, or whatever these high sights are. I'm interested but not quite ready to pull the plug.

 

[Univibe]

Typically speaking, you've got time for one, maybe two shots before a charging bear clears the distance between you . . . .

Not necessarily. Read the "93 cases" of handguns vs bears. Many of those turn into protracted fights with more ammo expended.

 

[Ethang]

I was able to shoot 20 rounds through one today, but had limited time and limited ammo. It shoots very well and what I really liked was it does not launch the brass into space. This is the first time shooting a 10mm that I have been able to easily find all of my brass. I will post up some pictures when I get the chance.

 

[Ethang]

This is the 4.6 inch model, no safety, optic ready model. I did not have a 45 available to compare it with, but it feels very good in the hand. This was my first time shooting with the new flat trigger. The first group picture was shot at 10 yards slow fire getting used to it. It is different but good.

Second group picture was another 10 rounds rapid fire at 7 yards. I was shooting Freedom Munitions 10mm loads, so really more like +P level 40 caliber rather than full power 10mm. It was very controllable, and doubles and triples were not difficult.

Time and ammo was a factor and I wish there had been more of each. I have an order in for one of my own and hoping delivery will be in a couple of weeks. I guess it will be time to crank up the old 650 and load some rounds up.

edit: I have no idea why the pictures are sideways... sorry.

 

[Paul in Nevada]

Girl who runs our hand gun shop says they don't presently exist with no ETA. Ethang's post gives me hope. Make mine a 4.6" with safety.

I was going to wait for the P320 10mm but it's been vaporware for two years.

 

[Univibe]

I'll have to be convinced, to sell my XDM 10mm and get the Smith.

XDM has a lot of goodies for the 10mm handloader at no extra charge:

1. Standard rifling; good for hardcast bullets (Glock isn't).

2. Mirror polished chamber and barrel, like a 686. Good for hardcast bullets (Glock isn't).

3. Mirror polished feed ramp, good for . . . . .

4. Fully supported chamber, can handle 10mm spec handloads.

You get the idea. I expect the Smith to have standard rifling.

 

[Ethang]

Girl who runs our hand gun shop says they don't presently exist with no ETA. Ethang's post gives me hope. Make mine a 4.6" with safety.

I was going to wait for the P320 10mm but it's been vaporware for two years.

It exists...and is making it's way into the supply line. Should be available to order from most distributors right now, but allotments are low.. ETA should be end of the month or first of December I am being told.

 

[tenntucker]

Just put in an order with my local dealer for a 4” no safety version as soon as he can get it. I can see them coming out with a longer barreled version eventually but I really don’t see the M&P platform as a hunting pistol

Sorry but hunters are a niche market in today's world. Less than 15% of gun owners are hunters. Only a small fraction of those use handguns.

 

[sparkyvega]

From the images, the M&P looks quite a bit smaller and more slim than the G20 and XDM-10. I'm content with the 10mms I have now, but thus one is starting to pique my interest.

This is the 4.6 inch model, no safety, optic ready model. I did not have a 45 available to compare it with, but it feels very good in the hand. This was my first time shooting with the new flat trigger. The first group picture was shot at 10 yards slow fire getting used to it. It is different but good.

Second group picture was another 10 rounds rapid fire at 7 yards. I was shooting Freedom Munitions 10mm loads, so really more like +P level 40 caliber rather than full power 10mm. It was very controllable, and doubles and triples were not difficult.

Time and ammo was a factor and I wish there had been more of each. I have an order in for one of my own and hoping delivery will be in a couple of weeks. I guess it will be time to crank up the old 650 and load some rounds up.

edit: I have no idea why the pictures are sideways... sorry.

 

[Frank Black]

This is the 4.6 inch model, no safety, optic ready model. I did not have a 45 available to compare it with, but it feels very good in the hand. This was my first time shooting with the new flat trigger. The first group picture was shot at 10 yards slow fire getting used to it. It is different but good.

Second group picture was another 10 rounds rapid fire at 7 yards. I was shooting Freedom Munitions 10mm loads, so really more like +P level 40 caliber rather than full power 10mm. It was very controllable, and doubles and triples were not difficult.

Time and ammo was a factor and I wish there had been more of each. I have an order in for one of my own and hoping delivery will be in a couple of weeks. I guess it will be time to crank up the old 650 and load some rounds up.

edit: I have no idea why the pictures are sideways... sorry.

Thanks for the review. But I've shot some of that Freedom Munitions "10mm" ammo (allegedly ), and wasn't impressed.

I appreciate your review being done from the limited time you had to shoot the gun, and limited to the type of ammo you had on hand, .... but before being declared the New Big Dude on the 10mm block, any sample of these new M&Ps needs to be thoroughly vetted by firing, at a minimum, 500-rds of real 10mm ammo. So, for example, taking the ubiquitous 180gn 10mm FMJ bullet, at or near full-power for that bullet-weight would be in the 1325fps-1375fps range.

10MM Auto 180 Grain FMJ Full Power Ammo 1375 FPS - Fenix Ammunition

As we've seen in the past, any "10mm" pistol can be made to look like a winner shooting the watered-down 40-level junk ammo - the stuff that's "10mm" only on the box-flap. Nooop.

It's only when fed high-performance 10mm ammo (or equivalent handloads) that the Wannabes get separated out from those pistols that have been properly R&D-ed, engineered, and tested long before they hit the shelves of the LGS.

Sig's line of 10mm P220s are an example of this. If you can ignore the two drawbacks of weight and a stingy mag capacity, they are otherwise excellent specimens of the 10mm breed.

On a polymer platform, it's clearly Glock's three 10mm models. S.A.'s 10mm XDs, while garnering mostly positive reviews, are really still too new to draw any long-term conclusions.

 

[Ethang]

Thanks for the review. But I've shot some of that Freedom Munitions "10mm" ammo (allegedly ), and wasn't impressed.

I appreciate your review being done from the limited time you had to shoot the gun, and limited to the type of ammo you had on hand, .... but before being declared the New Big Dude on the 10mm block, any sample of these new M&Ps needs to be thoroughly vetted by firing, at a minimum, 500-rds of real 10mm ammo. So, for example, taking the ubiquitous 180gn 10mm FMJ bullet, at or near full-power for that bullet-weight would be in the 1325fps-1375fps range.

....(snipped)...

That is why I included that the ammo was at best +P 40.

What I am getting from someone in the know is the development of this pistol included 10's of thousands of full power 10mm loads over the last 2+ years, and they have held up well. Most modern 10mm loads are a shadow of what the round was originally.

Me being a man of simple means I don't have the coin to spend on that much ammo. I never said this was the end all be all, New Big Dude of 10mm, just that it shot well and I liked it enough to drop my own money getting one. I too want something that will fire full power loads of old.

Since the CSP I have been patiently waiting for since 2017 appears to be dead in the water, this and my 1006 will have to do.

Your results may vary.

 

[Dave Lively]

Most modern 10mm loads are a shadow of what the round was originally.

Or at least what the round was originally marketed as. If you look around for reviews where people actually chronograph the original Norma ammo it consistently comes in about 200 fps short of the impressive numbers printed on the box. A couple of YouTube reviews are at:

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This is consistent with my personal experience. I bought a Springfield Omega 10mm pistol in the late 80s and later traded it for a S&W 610 a few years later after the Omega broke. The Norma ammo was noticeably hotter than the PMC ammo that was the only other factory ammo I could find right after the 10mm was introduced. But my remaining Norma ammo felt weak when I compared to Underwood and DoubleTap ammo, all in the same range session. Also, the original Norma ejected from my 610 easily but boutique ammo was very sticky. Unfortunately I didn't chronograph the ammo and shot all the original Norma ammo I had.

It's too bad equipment to measure chamber pressure is so expensive. I find it hard to believe the big manufacturers would load most calibers except 10mm up to the SAAMI specs. It seems more likely that companies like Underwood and Buffalo Bore are loading the cartridge up until it meets the original marketing velocities regardless of the pressure required. But without a way to measure pressure that is just a guess.

The hot ammo serves a purpose and is why most people are attracted to 10mm. And a lot of 10mm pistols can handle it well. What is really needed is a 10mm +P spec for hot ammo so gun makers can design handguns for it.

The current pressure spec for 10mm is 37500, only 7% higher than the 35000 psi spec for 40 S&W. Even with the higher case capacity expecting 10mm to produce 40% to 50% more power with only 7% more pressure is unrealistic. That 37500 limit might have made sense back when SAAMI set it and a lot of hastily converted 1911s like my Springfield Omega were breaking. But it could be higher for modern guns specifically designed for strong 10mm loads.

 

[ejr10mm]

I told my local dealer to get me a 4" version. When I went in I asked about it and he had no idea about the release. He also wasn't aware of the SA35 either. I should get a prize for filling him in, like being first on the list for one, oh wait I am.

 

[shocker]

The current pressure spec for 10mm is 37500, only 7% higher than the 35000 psi spec for 40 S&W. Even with the higher case capacity expecting 10mm to produce 40% to 50% more power with only 7% more pressure is unrealistic. That 37500 limit might have made sense back when SAAMI set it and a lot of hastily converted 1911s like my Springfield Omega were breaking. But it could be higher for modern guns specifically designed for strong 10mm loads.

Peak pressure is not equal to power. Checking accurate arms ballistics (SAAMI compliant), the excellent 180 gr. XTP clocks 978 from 40 and 1242 from 10 mm. Kinetic energy of 10 mm is 1.6X the 40.