i was searching for a new brand of carry ammo and i found these fiocchi extrema xtp loaded with hornady bullets and it advertises that there .45 acp 185 gr travels at 1450 fps and over 900 ft lbs of energy. is this a typo or it it true? also if it is right then is it a +p because it does not advertise as it. please help me before i waste alot of money on crap
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JohnnieB
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Do the math. 
Foot Pound Calculations
I get ~4% lower (863.6 ft/lb), but Fiocchi is European and does its testing in the SI system (metric), so some conversion errors could pop up.
I haven't tried the .45acp ammo you mentioned, but in .32acp, I'm pretty sure the European stuff is loaded hotter than SAAMI specs.
John
Foot Pound Calculations
I get ~4% lower (863.6 ft/lb), but Fiocchi is European and does its testing in the SI system (metric), so some conversion errors could pop up.
I haven't tried the .45acp ammo you mentioned, but in .32acp, I'm pretty sure the European stuff is loaded hotter than SAAMI specs.
John
I like the Fiocchi Extrema in .357 magnum, and I've used the .45ACP, 230gr load. That being said, I would be seriously suspect of any .45 load that claimed to supersede .357 magnum/10mm energies. It's either a typo, or data from a much longer test barrel. I suspect it's a typo.
edit: Here's a link to some testing on 9mm loads from Stephen Camp...
Ammunition Test
edit: Here's a link to some testing on 9mm loads from Stephen Camp...
Ammunition Test
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Harrison
US Veteran
The Europeans load a whole bunch of rounds, both rifle and pistol, much hotter than SAMMI Specs. All European guns are required to be proof tested before sale, and they don't have near as many hungry bottom feeding lawyers. Also European litigation laws are much stricter than in the U.S.
Many popular American cartridges are actually loaded well below SAMMI specs, due to fear of litigation.
Many popular American cartridges are actually loaded well below SAMMI specs, due to fear of litigation.
c.marsh
Member
first class AMMO..
they have a manufacturing plant in ARK. i shoot the ammo monthly ...
they have a manufacturing plant in ARK. i shoot the ammo monthly ...
Right, and in the article I linked to, the 9mm, 124gr load didn't come close in actual tests. I just think if you need 900ft/lbs, you're not going to get it in .45ACP, you need .41 or .44 magnum. Even Doubletap and Buffalo Bore, both known for performance, don't get anywhere near that with .45.
Don't get me wrong, I like Fiocchi ammo, and I think the load you mention is fine, I just don't think those numbers are realistic.
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Win75
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I have not shot any of the Fiocchi handgun ammo but I did buy 3 boxes of 50 rds Fiocchi .223 loaded with 50gr. V-Max bullets. I got these from MidWay USA and they had them on sale for $18.00 and change.
The box says assembled in U.S.A. and the address on the box is Ozark, Missouri.
The box says assembled in U.S.A. and the address on the box is Ozark, Missouri.
The ammo is made in Missouri although the company (Fiocchi Munizioni) is Italian. As for the power claims, it's either optimistic or an error in transferring data.
I have not used the 185 gr Extrema ammo. I have used the .45 ACP 230 gr Extrema. I have also used some of the .38 Special Fiocchi ammuntion.
I was impressed with the .38 Special stuff, especially at the price point. However, I have was not overly impressed with the .45 ACP Extrema based on initial results. That impression changed with subsequent shooting.
I bought a case of 230 gr Extrema due to price and fact that the XTP has a good reputation and the .38 Special ammo was excellent. I initially shot it in a Glock. Out of the first box, I got three failures to ignite and one defective round--the bullet was loaded off-center and split the case. Since that first box, I found no other defective rounds but I still had occasional failures to ignite the primer.
Since that initial trial, I've tried the ammo in a Colt Officer's ACP and a Ruger P345. I have had no problems with any primers failing to ignite with either of these hammer-fired guns. According to some sources I've seen, there are some primers on the hard side that striker-fired handguns have difficulty igniting. Since that problem only occurred with the striker-firing Glock, I think it is simply a case of the gun not liking the ammo.
With the Colt, I had occasional failures to fully feed. That's not unusual for this gun, however, so I don't think that was an ammo problem. With the Ruger, all rounds fed and ignited perfectly. That's pretty much business as usual for the P345--it's like a garbage disposal in its ability to handle all ammunition I've fed it. I would not hesitate to use the Extrema in the Ruger. The Glock, however, doesn't like it.
My only advise would be to try the ammo with the gun you intend to carry. If you're going to use it for defense, it is always advisable to thoroughly test your ammo for reliability.
I have not used the 185 gr Extrema ammo. I have used the .45 ACP 230 gr Extrema. I have also used some of the .38 Special Fiocchi ammuntion.
I was impressed with the .38 Special stuff, especially at the price point. However, I have was not overly impressed with the .45 ACP Extrema based on initial results. That impression changed with subsequent shooting.
I bought a case of 230 gr Extrema due to price and fact that the XTP has a good reputation and the .38 Special ammo was excellent. I initially shot it in a Glock. Out of the first box, I got three failures to ignite and one defective round--the bullet was loaded off-center and split the case. Since that first box, I found no other defective rounds but I still had occasional failures to ignite the primer.
Since that initial trial, I've tried the ammo in a Colt Officer's ACP and a Ruger P345. I have had no problems with any primers failing to ignite with either of these hammer-fired guns. According to some sources I've seen, there are some primers on the hard side that striker-fired handguns have difficulty igniting. Since that problem only occurred with the striker-firing Glock, I think it is simply a case of the gun not liking the ammo.
With the Colt, I had occasional failures to fully feed. That's not unusual for this gun, however, so I don't think that was an ammo problem. With the Ruger, all rounds fed and ignited perfectly. That's pretty much business as usual for the P345--it's like a garbage disposal in its ability to handle all ammunition I've fed it. I would not hesitate to use the Extrema in the Ruger. The Glock, however, doesn't like it.
My only advise would be to try the ammo with the gun you intend to carry. If you're going to use it for defense, it is always advisable to thoroughly test your ammo for reliability.
one eye joe
US Veteran
I have no problem with Fiocchi ammo, BUT that load is probably not the best for SD purposes. A heavy, slow moving HP bullet is the ticket for SD in the .45 ACP. It gets the job done reliably.....
i use 230 gr golden sabers right now i was really just wondering if the velocity was a typo if it is true i would just want them for fun honestly i wouldnt use 185 regardless just because my 40 has 180gr so it just didnt seem right to have the same weight in two different calibers.on the other hand my millinium pro is subcompact and ive been getting better expansion/penetration results with the light ones i would imagine that a jhp hitting at over 900 fps would dissinagrate on impact like the mythbuster swimming pool test
I have several boxes of this stuff in 357sig in my safe. I haven't had the chance to shoot any of it yet, but I bought it because it is made in the USA and I read that it is quality ammo. Yes, I believe everything I read.
scattershot
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I have used the Fiocchi Extrema 124 grain 9mm ammo. Their velocity and energy figures are highly optimistic, IMO. On the order of 200 FPS, actually, in the case of the 9mm. Whether intentional or not, I can't say.
