Firearms and Marijuana question

[CScott]

Colorado people, what are the rules regarding legal possession of marijuana and being in possession of a firearm at the same time? Just curious; marijuana is still illegal here in NM, especially wit firearms.. I've been told that the dispensaries in CO have a security problem with all the cash they have to use because they are not allowed to be in possession of firearms at the same time.
C. Scott

 

[Arik]

On the federal level it's illegal

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[patrickd]

Until the Feds legalize it they are oil and water.. When you fill out that federal form when buying a gun it asks whether you use the weed or not... Answer yes and see what happens.. While it might cause a civil war, technically, under the current US statutes and the mindset of the Supreme Court, the feds could in theory strip users of pot or any illegal drug of their right to own a firearm. Even though the US Constitution has the 10th Amendment, the federal government doesn't really recognize it.

 

[colorado plainsman]

No Bueno, still illegal at the fed level poss of a hand gun and a sched 1 substance not good.

As far as dispenseries being robbed it's not as bad as I thought it would be. I can only recall one where a guy from TX knocked over a place. now the grows are a different story with security.
They employee several x military in our area armed with ar's and wearing ballistic body armor. There are several large grows where I live. One green house that I have seen is honestly the size of a football field.

There have been several illegal grows busted that are out of staters from FLA that have been busted with guns and 7.5 million dollars worth of weed and hash oil. They are all facing fed time.

Sorry to drift so much.

 

[blues7]

I think it would be a bad idea even if it were legal.

I'd be surprised and disappointed if any otherwise conscientious individual who has ever smoked weed would opine differently. (Though I'm sure there are many out there.)

 

[arjay]

It's really quite goofy with our current laws.If you fill out the form honestly and you smoke pot,you can't buy a gun.If you lie on the form,you're breaking the law.
I'm assuming we have a whole lot of outlaws here,which is perfect for any government that would want to abuse its power.

 

[reddog81]

While still illegal at a federal level, what happens when pulled over by your average city cop? What happens if you have a firearm and marijuana on your passenger seat and you're not under the influence(assuming everything about you carrying the gun is legal)? I can't imagine the local cop is going to call a federal officer out.

 

[Arik]

Guy in MA recently got raided by a joint taskforce of ATF and DEA. He had an FFL and a MJ dispensary. If all the charges stick he's looking at life in prison

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[gen3guy]

You can rest assured that there are people with carry permits protecting that weed money on Colorado.

 

[Lee's Landing Billy]

Closing in on 69. Never smoked pot in my life. Least judgemental person you know. Could not possibly care less what YOU do. This is another example of...If they want you, they"ll get you.

 

[blues7]

Closing in on 69. Never smoked pot in my life. Least judgemental person you know. Could not possibly care less what YOU do. This is another example of...If they want you, they"ll get you.

I can't say I haven't, LLB, but I don't think that it's the same thing feeling it's okay for folks to take their pleasure where they may and saying it's okay to mix doing so with firearms.

My opinion is that carrying firearms carries a responsibility to have your mind clear of any intoxicant or "drug" which may impair your ability to reason and function in a completely stone cold sober manner.

Think of it this way...would you feel the same way if you knew that a loved one was sharing space on the street or in a marketplace with someone whose judgment might be impaired by a recreational "drug"?

I wouldn't care if someone was just transporting it and hadn't partaken but I think it would be hard for an LEO to make that determination in many circumstances.

 

[gen3guy]

Question 11 e. on the Form 4473 is a bit of a gray area in places like Colorado. It asks if you are "addicted to or an unlawful user of", like a drug addict is going to answer truthfully. Even the NRA says guns and alcohol don't mix. Maybe there should be a question about that on the form as well. Or maybe the government should just leave us alone.

 

[Stan O]

Pot and Guns

Interesting. One can drink or consume alcohol daily and purchase any legal firearm you like. Effects of alcohol are much worse than Pot IMO. Ask any cop who they would rather deal with. A drunk or someone using Pot? I deal with LEO's every day and the answer to the question is unanimous. Of all asked, they would much rather deal with the individual high on pot than booze. The 4473 question should deal with Booze and/or hard drugs. Interesting how William Randolph Hearst and DuPont's epic propaganda campaign and successful legislation against pot and hemp in the 30's still hangs on today yet prohibition was repealed 4 years prior. Now the feds tax and make money on Alcohol sales. Pretzel logic in my opinion.

 

[patrickd]

Watch.. The next step by the feds is to require a drug test to buy a gun.

 

[cmort666]

On a general level, it's a bad idea regardless of the legality.

I've never used it myself, but I've known a lot of people who did. In most cases it dulled people's senses and judgment. Maybe it's just me, but that doesn't seem like a good thing when you're in possession of a loaded firearm.

 

[chaparrito]

Question e does not define "unlawful user of marijuana". I believe a legal holder of a medical marijuana card in a state where such is permissible could answer no and make a good case for it. Recreational use on the other hand... sticky.
I almost never buy new guns or guns from FFLs, so it's not an issue.

 

[blues7]

On a general level, it's a bad idea regardless of the legality.

I've never used it myself, but I've known a lot of people who did. In most cases it dulled people's senses and judgment. Maybe it's just me, but that doesn't seem like a good thing when you're in possession of a loaded firearm.

Exactly. I'm fine with folks tokin'. Just not while totin'.

No Tokin' While Totin'. No Totin' While Tokin'.

(Wait until it wears off before you strap on the iron.)

Picture the scenario...

You smoke a blunt, you get hungry. You drive on out to the "Stop & Rob" for something to eat...already a bad idea since you're hitting the brakes 200 yards before the stoplight and drawing attention.

You get a little paranoid off the weed and think the guy in line just gave you a weird look and menaced you...next thing you know...

 

[mak1965]

I think it would be a bad idea even if it were legal.

I'd be surprised and disappointed if any otherwise conscientious individual who has ever smoked weed would opine differently. (Though I'm sure there are many out there.)

You are so right! I smoked Mucho Maryjane back in the day, and could not see one good reason for anyone under the influence of ANYTHING being able to be armed at all. It is not very good.

 

[cmort666]

You get a little paranoid off the weed and think the guy in line just gave you a weird look and menaced you...next thing you know...

I'm thinking more like:

1. You're high.
2. You get into a legit self-defense situation and:
   • hesitate and get shot.
   • fumble something and get shot.
   • fumble something and shoot the wrong person.

Absolutely the LAST thing on earth I need when facing a deadly force encounter is DULLED SENSES.

 

[Peak53]

I'm thinking more like:

1. You're high.
2. You get into a legit self-defense situation and:
   • hesitate and get shot.
   • fumble something and get shot.
   • fumble something and shoot the wrong person.

Absolutely the LAST thing on earth I need when facing a deadly force encounter is DULLED SENSES.

Or ... #4. You pull up just as a robber is fleeing with cash in one hand and gun in the other. He levels his gun at you and you shoot him. Your blood test comes out positive. I don't want to be in your shoes. Intoxicants mixed with gasoline or guns is a a bad deal.