First Aid for your Attacker

[photoman]

If you shoot someone in self defense do you administer first aid?

No! No! No! Danger Will Robinson, danger!

Do not go up to someone you just shot. Spend that time looking around for his partners in crime. Once you have determined there are no others with him (or all of them are down), call 911 and request police and medical.

 

[RSWMTB]

I'm reading the comments in here, and many of you are not taking your own advice...


Don't you also think the lawyers trying to sink you would dig up your forum posts? Of course they will...


"Handle them carefully, for words have more power than atom bombs."

- Pearl Strachan Hurd

 

[ares338]

Not me...I'll wait for the paramedics from four counties over I called to help the poor fellow.

 

[cmort666]

If you shoot someone in self defense do you administer first aid?

Not in a million years.

I'm not going to survive an attempt to maim or murder me only to be sued for "negligence" rendering "aid" to somebody who only seconds before wanted me dead.

An assailant can't recover a penny from me in a justified shooting.

Rendering unskilled first aid? Not so much.

I don't know what the "good samaritan" laws are in Ohio, but I wonder if they apply ANYWHERE to somebody that YOU have INTENTIONALLY injured.

If I have to shoot somebody, I'll dial 911. That's ALL the assistance my assailant will be getting from ME.

 

[cmort666]

You're gonna get sued for shooting him...no sense inviting another lawsuit for administering first aid.

Not likely in Ohio.

He can sue, but he can't COLLECT.

I imagine it's pretty tough to find a lawyer who'll work on a contingent basis for a (probably indigent) client who can't collect a penny in damages.

That's not a sustainable economic model for most private attorneys.

 

[cmort666]

Rendering aid also puts the shooter in a much better position "in the court of public opinion" as well as with a grand jury hearing evidence of the shooting to determine if it was justified.

It also "puts the shooter in a much better position" to contract whatever blood borne pathogens his assailant carries.

When you contract HIV from getting some hype's blood all over you, I GUARANTEE that the "court of public opinion" won't contribute a PENNY to your medical expenses. Nor will it hold your hand as you lie in bed coughing your lungs up from pneumocystis pneumonia.

I don't cater to the ignorant, idiotic whims of jackasses when my life ISN'T in grave danger.

 

[cmort666]

I'm reading the comments in here, and many of you are not taking your own advice...


Don't you also think the lawyers trying to sink you would dig up your forum posts? Of course they will...


"Handle them carefully, for words have more power than atom bombs."

- Pearl Strachan Hurd

My forum posts are in accordance with Ohio law as I know it.

Don't want to get shot?

Don't put me in reasonable and immediate fear of life and limb.

If you do and get shot, don't whine if the paramedics don't get there in time to ameliorate the effects of your own malice and stupidity.

 

[SAFireman]

That seems like a direct conflict of interest.....I am getting to a safe distance and calling 911.....if he pursues/follows me, then we will repeat the treatment.

 

[RSWMTB]

My forum posts are in accordance with Ohio law as I know it.

Did I address you, or anyone by name? Uuuuuuuuuuuh...nope.

Don't want to get shot?

Nah, been there...it's a bummer

If you do and get shot, don't whine if the paramedics don't get there in time to ameliorate the effects of your own malice and stupidity.

Ah, the good old internet bravado is alive and well here on this site...shame.


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[RSWMTB]

The OP posed a good question, that has many facets.


Plus, no two dynamic sitiations are the same.



Cheers,


R

 

[cmort666]

Ah, the good old internet bravado is alive and well here on this site...shame.


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If refusing to expose myself to blood borne pathogens or frivilous lawsuit is "bravado" then you can call me the Scarlet Pimpernel.

I advocate following the letter of the law. That law doesn't require me to incur one IOTA of danger in order to help somebody trying to kill or maim me. It merely requires me to terminate the use of deadly force against my attacker once he's no longer a threat. I've got no duty to die in the bed next to him in an AIDS ward.

 

[RSWMTB]

If refusing to expose myself to blood borne pathogens or frivilous lawsuit is "bravado" then you can call me the Scarlet Pimpernel.

No one asked you to expose yourself.


No, the "bravado" came from your reply that dripped of venom.



Cheers

 

[cmort666]

No, the "bravado" came from your reply that dripped of venom.

I have nothing BUT "venom" for violent predators.

Some people have great sympathy for them.

The law neither mandates nor prohibits either sentiment.

 

[RSWMTB]

I have nothing BUT "venom" for violent predators.

Your venom was directed at me, even though my post wasn't directed at anyone by name. Simply stating that many folks are telling "what I would do" in this forum, and if, God forbid (becasue their lives are now going to be turned upside down), they have to shoot someone in self defense, some of their 'plans' are on the web for anyone to see. I was just throwing that out there.

Maybe my post was a 'shoe-fitting' moment for ya



We're done here.



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[cmort666]

Your venom was directed at me
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You seem very sensitive to the opinions of others...

 

[Kanewpadle]

You seem very sensitive to the opinions of others...

Cmort, I'm sure your a nice guy but you need to realize that you sometimes like to force your opinion onto others. At least that's how you come across.

Just sayin.... Of course, I've been known to do the same.

 

[GKC]

In an incident in a Chicago suburb, a man shot an attacker, then administered first aid. As a result, he had a hard time convincing the police that the shooting was in self defense. His humanitarian response gave the impression that he was not in fear of his life. As hardcore as it sounds, you can't give the impression the shooting was anything other than necessary and intentional. Your words and actions will be held against you.

This is exactly what I was thinking...it could be misconstrued as showing that you felt regret, showing that your state of mind was that you were wrong to shoot, etc.

In this day and time, with our legal climate and system, self-defense doesn't only include neutralizing the immediate threat, but also protecting yourself from the secondary threats: prosecutors and especially those who will sue you for harming their precious, misunderstood angel who was trying to perform missionary work when you aggressively attacked him without provocation.

 

[cmort666]

Cmort, I'm sure your a nice guy but you need to realize that you sometimes like to force your opinion onto others. At least that's how you come across.

Just sayin.... Of course, I've been known to do the same.

That's kind of tough, given that absent accomplices to forcibly make him read what I post, he can try to refute what I post, or simply ignore everything I say.

I ignore whole swaths of conversation here, including ALL discussions of sports and religion.

I come from the unmoderated usenet world, where a supposed map to my house with accompanying death threat, posted by neo-Nazis is a ho-hum event.

Merely disagreeing with somebody (and within the TOS) seems trivial.

But as I said, some people are just sensitive to dissent from their opinions.

BTW - I'm not really that nice. Ask the guys from the neo-Nazi National Alliance on whom I sicced the BKA, the German FBI.

 

[C Broad Arrow]

Gentlemen, we are all brothers in arms here. Play nice and respectful. This is one of the few places where we should be able to express our opinions without criticism or abuse. Multiple views should be appreciated, and respected. There are many other placed on the net for brawling.

 

[David LaPell]

This is another one of those what if scenarios. If you are off duty in law enforcement, some agencies require you to render first aid, same as if you are a nurse. With that being said, you would have to ask yourself, is this person still a threat? Is this person alone? Is your family with you? Are you hurt? Think of all the what if's that come with this, and its not cut and dry. If I am out with my family, they are my priority and their safety and well being will be first over the other person no matter what shape they are in. Also if say someone other than the bad guy got hurt then sorry, they have now become the person that will get my attention regarding first aid, not the guy responsible. The biggest thing to worry about though is not if the bad guy (or girl) needs first aid, but are they still a threat and is there a weapon that they are in reach of that needs to be secured.