First AR15 - Mistake?

[Qwackertoo]

If they won't help him, his credit card company that he put the charge on will. They advertise it with a collapsible stock, 5R melonite barrel, and an integral trigger guard...those last two describe a Sport or 15T, not an OR model. And it can't have a 6 position stock and be Maryland compliant at the same time to my knowledge, yet the page says both. Gander screwed the goose on this one!

I do agree that the OP should have looked at the rifle before accepting it, but when you order online, you have already paid your money to the store. I don't know that you could just refuse it at your FFL. I'm not familiar with what that process would be though. Anybody ever gone through that?

I'm a she . . . and I did look at in the store but wasn't sure about exactly when sales being final took place, when I clicked buy online or what . . . as the charge had already gone through days before shipping and arrival at store. I should have spoke up sooner, I said something but the guy pretty much brushed off my concern. My husband & I plan to take a tactical training course here locally and this purchase was more of a last resort self defense IF things ever got really ugly . . . like last week IF we lived in Boston, I'd have been sitting in my recliner with the rifle in hand ready to shoot IF a crazed terrorist came busting through the door. I feel like I screwed up on this purchase . . . but will try calling Gander and see what they say. Thanks for all the replies everybody.

 

[Qwackertoo]

OK, I just called and they said just bring it back to the store. I don't like that they are not accurate with their online descriptions. Bait and switch. Maybe part my fault but I think it is their fault for not accurately advertising the merchandise.

 

[gdnagle]

OK, I just called and they said just bring it back to the store. I don't like that they are not accurate with their online descriptions. Bait and switch. Maybe part my fault but I think it is their fault for not accurately advertising the merchandise.

Your responsibility to look it over before you fill out the paper work. If it's not what you want don't take it. your FFL should have let you look at it so you would know it is what you ordered if not they could ship it back. At least that's what my FFL wants us to do.

 

[MichiganScott]

OK, I just called and they said just bring it back to the store. I don't like that they are not accurate with their online descriptions. Bait and switch. Maybe part my fault but I think it is their fault for not accurately advertising the merchandise.

I'm glad it looks like it will work out for you. That's not been my experience with Gander.

To answer cyphertext, the gun's not yours until you pass the background check. You may have problems getting your money back if you pay with a check, but your credit card company should take care of you if you used the card and refused to accept the gun for a legitimate reason. Some FFL's tell you up front what it will cost you if they special order and you flunk the background check.

 

[KJM]

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[Qwackertoo]

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Ummm 30 mag is LEGAL in MY STATE as is the 6 position stock. THEY had the description wrong. How am I to read their mind? It is their job to accurately describe what they are selling? No?

Otherwise is it on me to know the laws in the other 50 states? A red flag for me would have been CA or NY or CT but everything has worked out so all is well. Lesson learned by me. And they said they'd correct website.

 

[Qwackertoo]

I'm confused (as usual). Did you have the rifle shipped to a Gander shop or to a different gun shop?

Did we determine if it's a maryland compliant version? 10 round mag, fixed stock? I guess you don't live in maryland.

Yes, it was ordered from Gander and shipped to my local Gander store. Yes, it was Maryland compliant BUT the description didn't quite describe it accurately and no I don't live in Maryland. They took it back with no problem and I will watch the website and the store for a replacement. I could have lived without the flash hider but the 6 position adjustable stock was a deal breaker for me. So in the long run I will be happier with getting what I ordered and paid for.

Oh and corporate told the manager they would make sure the website was updated to accurately reflect the specifications.

 

[KJM]

Ummm 30 mag is LEGAL in MY STATE as is the 6 position stock. THEY had the description wrong. How am I to read their mind? It is their job to accurately describe what they are selling? No?

Yes to an extent. For instance, If I bought a Colt AR advertised on a website..... It is shown with a Flash Hider and a collapsible stock, which I know is not legal in my state. They use stock pics half the time. I have dealt with a lot of distributors and seen this a lot of times.

It was up to me to know this and know I would be getting the legal version for my state, which was a muzzle brake and fixed, pinned stock.

If the gun was advertised as Maryland gun and you did not get what was shown you have a beef.

Don't buy online, and put your hands on it before you buy.

Live with the no flash hider. Unless you plan on going to war soon, it's not a big deal.

For in house self defense use, be sure and use FRANGIBLE ammo. Look it up. Easier than explaining, but you won't kill a neighbor.

 

[lagavulin62]

I think the easiest way to go about it next time is to make sure the SKU of what they are advertising is what you want. You can take their SKU number they have listed and go to whatever manufacturer of the gun and look up the specifications. And others correct me if I am wrong but I believe guns that meet compliance have totally different SKU's than the non-compiant guns of the same model. That way when you go to pickup all you have to do is check the SKU on the box and you know you have your gun.

As far as the flash hider, yeah you really don't need it as all have said but that doesn't change the fact that you wanted it. (or it sure seemed it) I wouldn't apologize for that or try and justify that it's ok not to have it. Yes we need guns for the practical purpose but at the same time we also want it to look "cool" too. When you spend that much on something it better have all you want and who the heck cares if that silly military flash hider has a practical importance or not. It dang sure needs to be there or you will kick yourself in the butt for not making an issue of it.

So glad things worked out and let us know when the new one comes in.

 

[Qwackertoo]

Thanks, lagavulin62

It was certainly a learning experience. I couldn't find a match for the SKU on the S&W last night at all. Heard back from them today too and they said it was an exclusive for GM and I'd need to deal with them. Happy to see, it worked out, now will patiently wait for a replacement. They are very hard to come by here locally, just last week I stood in line outside for 1/2 an hour just to get some ammo for some of our handguns and some .223's. Nice friendly crowd, several police cars directing traffic and keeping everything orderly. The fire marshal limited store capacity and when about ten would come out with their purchases, they'd let ten more in . . . at least it wasn't raining.

 

[vipermd]

Qwackertoo: I am glad it worked out, but if it was not as advertised do not accept it. The flash hider/ muzzle break should be there if advertised and more importantly the barrel is threaded if you want the break/FH/suppressor. You said you do not have 20 ga ammo locally? The shotgun would prob be my first choice of HD with the handgun close behind, but as you said if the SHTF/terrorist I want a multiple shot weapon to take care of multiple threats. Your ammo can be soft point/amax/vmax, it does not have to be frangible, but it is all dependent on your home and location. I could use AP in 223/308 and still never get near a neighbor. Look at your conditions, test the walls ( if you have drywall, insulation,outside board,siding ) Put that combination together and shoot it and see what your bullet does on your wall. I use Win Ranger Power Point since I have seen that it is effective. If you can not find 20 ga I am sure someone here can help. Be Safe,

 

[Qwackertoo]

Qwackertoo: I am glad it worked out, but if it was not as advertised do not accept it. The flash hider/ muzzle break should be there if advertised and more importantly the barrel is threaded if you want the break/FH/suppressor. You said you do not have 20 ga ammo locally? The shotgun would prob be my first choice of HD with the handgun close behind, but as you said if the SHTF/terrorist I want a multiple shot weapon to take care of multiple threats. Your ammo can be soft point/amax/vmax, it does not have to be frangible, but it is all dependent on your home and location. I could use AP in 223/308 and still never get near a neighbor. Look at your conditions, test the walls ( if you have drywall, insulation,outside board,siding ) Put that combination together and shoot it and see what your bullet does on your wall. I use Win Ranger Power Point since I have seen that it is effective. If you can not find 20 ga I am sure someone here can help. Be Safe,

Thank you for your post. Yep, can't find anything except bird shot around here for shotgun shells.

We live in a neighborhood where the houses are on almost 1 acre lots so the homes aren't close together like they are in many subdivisions. And the exterior is brick so I guess that helps too. I do worry IF in middle of night going through walls, but our home is split as in master bedroom on one side of house and other three bedrooms clear on the other side and now only son over there but daughter will be coming home from college next week.

I actually worry more about a home invasion during the day when I'm home alone than something at night or during the weekends when everyone is home. I have a carry permit too, finally my husband got his the following year. Still need to sign up for the tactical training course that is a step up from the basic self defense concealed carry course.

Thanks again!

 

[vipermd]

Qwakertoo: # 4,5,6 birdshot in a 20 ga will be highly effective in a HD situation of 30 ft or less. I will not get graphic but it" will stop an attack" I am sure that is available, if not it can be. Be Safe,

 

[Qwackertoo]

Nope, just #7 or 7.5. But I will keep looking.

When I bought my little Ruger .380 a couple of years ago, little did I know ammo was impossible to find for it, took me 4 months to find it. Now that is why I like my old Colt Python or Cobra, never can remember which one it is, .357 and my newer Ruger .357 LCR. Figure I can shoot .38 or .357 but usually .38's. I keep thinking supply will get better these past couple of years but not so much, it is worse.

 

[cyphertext]

Qwakertoo: # 4,5,6 birdshot in a 20 ga will be highly effective in a HD situation of 30 ft or less. I will not get graphic but it" will stop an attack" I am sure that is available, if not it can be. Be Safe,

I'm going to disagree with this statement. Birdshot is for, well, birds. It is not reliable enough to bet on stopping an attack. It does not reliably penetrate far enough to hit vitals. The wounds are nasty looking, kinda like hamburger, but are shallow.

 

[Qwackertoo]

I see two more back in stock and neither say compliant for any state. Although one if 400.00 higher.

https://secure.gandermountain.com/modperl/cart/cart.cgi for 1099.00

Smith Wesson MP 15 Optics-Ready Centerfire Rifle Package - Gander Mountain for 1499.00

pro's or con's for either? Or is it just better to be patient and wait for a more reasonable 699.00 or 799.00 model? I really want the S&W over and above a Bushmaster. I think the quality is better with S&W or I could be wrong.

Any opinions? I doubt I find one locally anytime soon. They have people waiting around on the days FedEx delivers and they are immediately snatched up.

 

[Qwackertoo]

I see two more back in stock and neither say compliant for any state. Although one if 400.00 higher.

https://secure.gandermountain.com/modperl/cart/cart.cgi for 1099.00

Smith Wesson MP 15 Optics-Ready Centerfire Rifle Package - Gander Mountain for 1499.00

pro's or con's for either? Or is it just better to be patient and wait for a more reasonable 699.00 or 799.00 model? I really want the S&W over and above a Bushmaster. I think the quality is better with S&W or I could be wrong.

Any opinions? I doubt I find one locally anytime soon. They have people waiting around on the days FedEx delivers and they are immediately snatched up.

 

[vipermd]

Cyphertext- The wounds are nasty indeed and the shots were from 15-30 ft on 3 different individuals. They were all deceased at the time I saw them and were missing large portions of their sternum, lungs, and heart. After looking at them and comparing shot size, 4,5,6 were used respectively and only one shot was fired. Clothing was tshirt + shirt/, t shirt/ light jacket, t shirt+ shirt+ light jacket. I do not know the choke of the shotguns used, and no I can not post photos. I do not know of any gelatin tests that I could compare/contrast, maybe the 20 would not do well on gelatin! I only have these 3 examples that I saw. I would prefer a 12 ga with 00,000 buck for myself and that is what I use. Be Safe,

 

[oneyeopn]

I have experimented with flash hiders and muzzle brakes....My rifle is way more accurate without them...I would suggest leaving it alone...it is also quieter without out it installed.

 

[oneyeopn]

I'm going to disagree with this statement. Birdshot is for, well, birds. It is not reliable enough to bet on stopping an attack. It does not reliably penetrate far enough to hit vitals. The wounds are nasty looking, kinda like hamburger, but are shallow.

I agree with Cypher totally, plus the shot doesnt start opening up until it is out there a little bit. Under 30 feet you are almost shooting a slug.