First Purchase Advice

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I've been spending most of my day going through thread after thread on this website. One thing I've learned so far is the pleasant atmosphere this forum retains. Getting into a interest can be intimidating, especially on the subject of guns. So much to learn and know, and a prideful man is most fearful of looking like a fool. I called a local gun exchange today and asked about their police trade ins. I laughed a little at my thought process, "Are you even describing the gun correctly? Do you sound like a dumbass?".

Anyways, to the point; I've got a question for you folks.

As a hopeful future CHP Cadet, I understand they issue the 4006TSW. I've been pretty set on making sure that's the first gun I purchase. For one, because everyone says to make sure you get comfortable with the gun you'll be trained with; and second because from all the reviews, it's a kick *** gun.

The only problem is, I've only found one for sell, and it's way over priced. Asking $700 for the damn thing.

Question: Should I stick to my goal of finding a 4006TSW, or should I give up and purchase a similar gun(Please give suggestions on similar guns).

Thanks!
 
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Buy the gun you'll use the most: the one you'll be carrying on duty.

Right, that's what I figured. Is it just bad timing for this particular gun or what? I see a lot of sales from years ago online, but recent sales are slim to none, and way over priced.
 
two things, 1. yes it is a good idea to be familiar with the duty weapon. 2. you should be familiar with shooting, meaning shot a lot and develop good shooting skills.
 
two things, 1. yes it is a good idea to be familiar with the duty weapon. 2. you should be familiar with shooting, meaning shot a lot and develop good shooting skills.

So your advice is that maybe in the future purchase the weapon ill be issued, but for now, it's fine to just get used to shooting and developing a shot? I guess I just don't want to buy a gun that I don't want. Although I am antsy to work on my shot and am considering buying a glock in the meantime to do just that
 
Third gens are super great guns.....

....but they aren't made any more. They are getting more scarce, parts are harder to find, and prices are going up.

You can make an offer less than $700 to take out some of the sting. If you really want and think you will use it, I'd stretch and get it.

I wanted a 686 but they were out of my price range and I was about to settle for a Ruger, but I thought, "It's not quite what you want, is it?" so I sprang for the 686 and I've NEVER been sorry. The motto is, "Get what you want and cry once. If you get something lesser you'll be crying a lot."
 
Should I stick to my goal of finding a 4006TSW, or should I give up and purchase a similar gun(Please give suggestions on similar guns).

Try to predict what they will issue in the future when you are with them, not what they issue now.

Wikipedia says "The department has also looked into upgrading their standard sidearms to Smith & Wesson M&P 40's in .40 S&W for the lighter platform, ease of use, and quicker maintenance compared to the Smith & Wesson 4006TSW".

California Highway Patrol - Wikipedia
 
....but they aren't made any more. They are getting more scarce, parts are harder to find, and prices are going up.

You can make an offer less than $700 to take out some of the sting. If you really want and think you will use it, I'd stretch and get it.

I wanted a 686 but they were out of my price range and I was about to settle for a Ruger, but I thought, "It's not quite what you want, is it?" so I sprang for the 686 and I've NEVER been sorry. The motto is, "Get what you want and cry once. If you get something lesser you'll be crying a lot."

Yeah, im gonna go with this advice. I want the gun bad. Ill post an update. The auction for the ONE i've found ends in about 6 hours. I'll likely make a bid. Thanks!
 
4006

First let me say a 4006 is an excellent choice, as would be any 3rd gen Smith in my opinion. Now on to availability and price; depending on condition and extras (mags, box holster etc) $700 is not unrealistic in today's market. Where else could you find an all steel full size semi-auto of S&W quality? GB has a dozen or so at any one time, Guns America has varying number of 3rd gens some from reputable vendors such as Jack the Dog. A new Sig P220 (about the closest thing in quality and reliability available new) will set you back a grand or so. You get what you pay for.
 
Have you tried GunBroker? There are 3 on there right now and the "Buy It Now" prices are under $600. One of the 3 is only $415.
 
I will break a bit. It sounds like you're not exactly a shooter atm, which is fine--no ingrained bad habits.

First off, if the price tag alone is what keeps you from biting, don't worry about it. $700 is really not a huge bill in gun terms.

The other thing is--you're not CHP yet. The S&W DA/SAs are very nice guns, but they're not what I would call beginner-friendly to shoot. You'll have plenty of time to become proficient with one later.

I would suggest that you could use a good trainer handgun. You need something accurate--no point in practicing if there's no feedback. It should also have large, easy-to-use sights, and at least a passable trigger. As a final requirement, ammunition should be cheap and easy to get. 50 rounds of garbage S&B .40S&W costs $15 on Midway. For a measly $19, you can have 325 rounds of Federal AutoMatch Target.

So I would suggest:

--An entry-level .22LR target pistol, such as the Ruger Mk III or IV, Browning Buckmark, or S&W Victory
--A good .22LR revolver. Any S&W with a 4-6" barrel will do you well.
--If you must have a centerfire, the Springfield Armory Range Officer 1911 in 9mm is accurate and cheap to shoot. Beginner centerfire Bullseye shooters frequently turn to the RO as an entry-level gun, and shoot them, unmodified, at 25 and 50 yards.

A .22 target pistol--a very good one--will set you back around $400. The revolver, who knows, I don't keep up to date on the pricing there. The Range Officer should go for around what you were considering spending on the S&W.

Of all three, I would select the .22 pistol. Probably the Ruger, although you should pick whichever feels best in your hands. They're supremely accurate, all of them. I would be surprised to find a Ruger, Browning, or S&W Victory that couldn't shoot a quarter-sized group at 50 feet.

People who are good shots...it doesn't matter what handgun you put in their hands. The fundamentals don't change. They can pick something up, having never seen it before, and be proficient in the space of a magazine. And most of them, most of all of us, started on a .22.

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The other thing is, well...no offense, but I'd maybe be more concerned with other things than proficiency with the duty firearm. Passing the physicals, the written test, that sort of thing. Ability to understand, say, search law and what constitutes probable cause is a heck of a lot more useful than shooting ability. It ain't all action, it's a lot of think-work and hauling sullen, dreary, violent jerks, and a bit of cleaning drunk-sick out of the backseat. They don't show that part on Cops, where the drunk guy the audience was laughing at pukes all over the backseat and himself, and screams and spits for the 15 minute ride to his overnight accommodations.

Most cops go 30 years without shooting anybody. It's pretty much the second-to-last thing a department wants to see (the last being a dead cop). So when the guy that does your evaluations hears about you wanting to buy the duty gun and practice with it beforehand--can you see how that might raise a red flag or two? And it's not like there's a shortage of applicants...

But hey--that probably ain't you. Point is, I know a helluva lot of "professional firearms instructors" (don't make me laugh, fellers), security guards, and armored car drivers pulling down a whole $15/hr who applied to be cops at one time or another. And frankly, a few of them, I wouldn't give a damn BB gun to.

Best divorce the shooting aspect from the police deal altogether. Shooting's worth taking up on its own. And remember--probably half the guys in your class will have never fired a gun before, either, so you won't be in bad company.

Just sayin'.
 
I'll tag onto what Wise_A said in his post. Case in point - many years ago, I caught a guy breaking into my house one night. As he was coming through the door, I was bringing my Colt's Government Model (.45ACP, naturally) to bear. Luckily, the phone was right next to him, so after making him drop to his knees and put his hands up, I told him to reach over, pick up the phone, and call the cops.

This was in the days before 9-1-1, so he had to call the operator and ask to have the police come to my address. He asked the operator several times to please have the police hurry as he was looking down the barrel of "a big ol' gun". Once the police arrived, they took him into custody, and the home invader started developing a mouth, and an attitude as well. When I asked him why was he suddenly acting this way when he was perfectly quiet and well behaved just a few minutes prior, he looked at me as if I were stupid and said "Man, cops got rules!".

He was right, and I hadn't considered this. Cops do indeed have rules. Cops also have specific training on handguns that I've never had, but I'm sure are different than what the Army teaches with regards to handling and firing handguns. Thus, I wouldn't worry too much with developing your handgun handling and shooting skills at this time. The CHP, or LAPD, or LASO, or whatever law enforcement agency you join will teach you what they want you to know, and you'll do yourself a great favor by not having so many bad habits to break. My advice would be to concentrate your efforts on developing your physical strength and endurance, rather than your shooting skills at this time.

Good luck,

Dave
 
In this day and age...... most Depts/Agencies will issue you your duty firearm(s)...... and trying to guess what they will be using next year, or 5 years from now won't be very productive.....IMHO.....

For example the FBI is going back to the 9mm....................

If you are just getting into shooting ..... find a good .22 auto or revolver and a "competent" instructor............................

Good luck.
 
I too would fall in the "get a .22 first" category. It's a good and inexpensive way (considering ammo, etc) to get into gun ownership and learn and practice all the basics. And if the day comes along when one will become a cadet/trainee and in turn an officer, they at least have the basics down and will own a .22 to keep as a plinker/range toy.
 
Goodmorning all, thank you for your advice!

Wise, very well put. Though I do want to make something very clear; I am in no way interested in purchasing a firearm due to my future career. I am not excited about the use of a weapon in the field of law enforcement. As you said, I hope to be one of those that never ever draws the weapon from my holster. With that said, I am interested in buying simply due to the fire that lit within me the first time I shot a 9mm Glock at the range. It was fun, and it was an instant understanding of why the place was filled to the brim.

Most of the people i've been speaking to have advised if i'm going to buy my first weapon and I happen to be interested in LE, to find the gun i'll be trained with. I liked this idea so I did research on the 4006TSW and loved the reviews and the history behind it's birth. It's kinda like what rwsmith said, I didn't wanna settle for something I wasn't craving. And since many of you insist $700 isnt all that bad for the 4006TSW in this market, at the time, I went ahead and placed my bid at the last minute for $700. I won the bid without competition and I should be receiving my 4006TSW soon. :)

Again, THANK YOU ALL.

EDIT: For the record... I wouldn't have bid on it if it wasn't for the advice and input from all of you. You pushed me to get it if I want it. 1st successful run here on S&W forum and not the last im sure of it.
 
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