First they came for bumpstocks

[Muss Muggins]

Time to lock up this mess . . .

 

[Walkingwolf]

In all fairness, the rights you enumerate above are not unlimited either . . .

Except that those rights are not enforced before a crime is committed. It would be like taping a person's mouth before they enter a theater to prevent them from yelling fire.

The second is the only right where the people are punished because they maybe, might, could commit a crime. Law abiding citizens do not break laws, criminals do.

 

[Walkingwolf]

I understand your feelings, but perhaps we should avoid alienating and dividing gun owners. The other side is pretty united and we need to try and be more so.

May I suggest that calling someone a fudd or rino isn't going to change their viewpoint or garner their support. It may just harden them against reasonable arguments pointing out why they need to revise their position. Pushing people closer to the other side is not a winning strategy. Granted, we may never convince some gun owners to understand the issues the way we do, but let's at least try not to push them even farther into the other camp. It is going to be a rough few years ahead and we will need all of the support we can muster.

More than ever, we need to be more sophisticated about how we fight this political battle.

Just something to think about.

The problem that is exactly what Fudds do, divide the gun owners. They do it on various issues from types of carry to what firearms are allowed to be carried. Unlike many gun owners who support all legal use of firearms they only support those that they believe in, and spend much time insulting those that go their own way. If any doubts go back and read any of the locked open carry threads, you will see the vitrol that is there. It does not come from non Fudds, it comes from the Fudds. Fudds are more dangerous to our rights than even the hoplophobes. Most of our gun control was written by Fudds.

 

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The problem that is exactly what Fudds do, divide the gun owners. They do it on various issues from types of carry to what firearms are allowed to be carried. Unlike many gun owners who support all legal use of firearms they only support those that they believe in, and spend much time insulting those that go their own way. If any doubts go back and read any of the locked open carry threads, you will see the vitrol that is there. It does not come from non Fudds, it comes from the Fudds. Fudds are more dangerous to our rights than even the hoplophobes. Most of our gun control was written by Fudds.

I think the Fudds would say the same about slogan-oriented jingoistic rhetoric on the far right of the issue. Certainly the most emotional animus and insults seems to come from people like you that would rather slander anyone who isn't in lockstep than discuss it with them.

 

[REM 3200]

I give up. What's a FUDD ?

 

[Roller Delayed]

I give up. What's a FUDD ?

Elmer Fudd. Any old school, lever action kinda of low volume, non-tactical shooter who might not CC, have a loaded AR next to his bed, spend $10K a year in practice ammo, etc.

You know, a regular person.

 

[BC38]

"A house divided against itself cannot stand."

We're doomed....

 

[Walkingwolf]

"A house divided against itself cannot stand."

We're doomed....

Exactly, to exist as gun owners in the future we must accept ALL LEGAL forms of gun use, and ownership not stab each other in the back.

I do not own a bump stock, do not own an AR, don't intend to, BUT I support the right of every law abiding citizen to own, and use those arms. Just because I don't drink alcohol does not mean I want alcohol outlawed for consumption. Those that drink responsibly/legally should be left alone. I support the BOR as they were written, not to be used as an excuse to remove rights, or water them down. Our founders knew full well what they wanted to convey, there were no hidden meanings.