First they came for bumpstocks

[stansdds]

It's the slippery slope, but eventually the slope ends at a cliff.

 

[American1776]

A federal AWB like '94 is political poison, and the Democrats know this. After the '94 law was passed, the political damage it did to politicians who voted for it still scares many politicians. 8 Democratic senators and 54 Democratic house members lost their elections in the aftermath of '94. Bill Clinton himself, in his memoirs, looks back with regret on the political aftermath of the '94 ban.

The only thing politicians care more about than long term gun confiscation, is winning the next election.

Keep up the pressure on this, and they will know that their careers will be over if they support another ban.

 

[Muss Muggins]

My point is that no one would ever dare introduce such a bill and if by some impossible fluke they did the MSM and leftist would come completely unglued.

Senator Orrin Hatch did just that, almost a year ago . . .

Bill prohibiting 'free speech zones' introduced in U.S. Senate

 

[ladder13]

I understand your feelings, but perhaps we should avoid alienating and dividing gun owners. The other side is pretty united and we need to try and be more so.

May I suggest that calling someone a fudd or rino isn't going to change their viewpoint or garner their support. It may just harden them against reasonable arguments pointing out why they need to revise their position. Pushing people closer to the other side is not a winning strategy. Granted, we may never convince some gun owners to understand the issues the way we do, but let's at least try not to push them even farther into the other camp. It is going to be a rough few years ahead and we will need all of the support we can muster.

More than ever, we need to be more sophisticated about how we fight this political battle.

Just something to think about.

I've thought about that for decades.

 

[CalmerThanYou]

Take a Fudd ELR shooting or on a SMG session.
Exposure to new shooting sports can benefit the young and old.

 

[stansdds]

A federal AWB like '94 is political poison, and the Democrats know this. After the '94 law was passed, the political damage it did to politicians who voted for it still scares many politicians. 8 Democratic senators and 54 Democratic house members lost their elections in the aftermath of '94. Bill Clinton himself, in his memoirs, looks back with regret on the political aftermath of the '94 ban.

The only thing politicians care more about than long term gun confiscation, is winning the next election.

Keep up the pressure on this, and they will know that their careers will be over if they support another ban.

The old guard Democrats remember that, but we have a new generation of very young Democrats who are unaware of what went on in the 1990's. These young representatives will also likely have the support of the young voters, many of whom do not understand the Bill of Rights, the constitution, how government is supposed to operate, nor do they have a good foundation of historical knowledge.

 

[Ackley1952]

These politicians and judges work for me . I don't work for them. They serve at my pleasure.

 

[biku324]

but we have a new generation of very young Democrats who are unaware of what went on in the 1990's. These young representatives will also likely have the support of the young voters, many of whom do not understand the Bill of Rights, the constitution, how government is supposed to operate, nor do they have a good foundation of historical knowledge.

Sadly, my experience with today's young people (I taught in community colleges from '98 to '13) is that they also lack much that made many on this Forum safe, responsible gunhandlers, often from a very early age. Handling firearms requires discipline, self-discipline, appreciation of the wrongfulness of damaging other people's persons and property, and respect for others. It also requires appreciation of the fact that a misjudgment can mean permanent injury or death to oneself or others.

I don't see those attributes often now; and remember, a firearm is truly a tool of the will. Only the use to which the tool is put is good or evil.

 

[Watchdog]

These politicians and judges work for me . I don't work for them. They serve at my pleasure.

Then next time one of 'em does something you don't like, go to their office and tell 'em they're fired. See who gets thrown out of the building first.

 

[Ackley1952]

I own the building. That tea wasn't that heavy. When the sheep tire of being led change will come . When more ride on wagon than those pulling wagon the trip will shorten .

 

[ladder13]

You have to realize that some people here think just like them.

 

[Ackley1952]

If your employee abuses you it's not the employees fault . This isn't rocket science. Just like raising kids it all depends on what you want to end up with .

 

[SC_Mike]

I'm keeping what I have.

 

[steelslaver]

I own the building. That tea wasn't that heavy. When the sheep tire of being led change will come . When more ride on wagon than those pulling wagon the trip will shorten .

I like the quote, but the problems are still going to happen when the wagon is being slowly overloaded and slowing down. Plus, there is no guarantee of what the outcome is going to be when the pullers say enough.

Plus; The fact that public servants are just that don't cut much ice when they won't acknowledge that and the majority don't either.

 

[Telecaster]

AWB '19: "If you like your guns, you can keep your guns."

 

[Ackley1952]

Look at the job a person has done in raising their kids. That will tell you whether they need to lead, follow, or just get out of the damn way.

 

[somorris]

If you think gun confiscation cannot happen here, read about what happened in New Orleans during and after Katrina hit. There is a very fine line between law and order and anarchy.

 

[handejector]

It is time for a lot of you to read the rules here.
If you want these discussions to stay open, keep it focused. We don't do general political and social commentary.

They are here if you have trouble locating them-

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This is not where you will fix everything wrong with our society.

 

[BC38]

I've thought about that for decades.

...and yet you continue to use divisive terms like FUDDS when referring to other gun owners? Because...?

If you realize it further divides and alienates gun owners, and UNITING is the only way we have a chance, why do it?

Just trying to understand where you're coming from.

 

[ladder13]

You can take it to a pm if you like I have too many demerits to respond.

UPDATE Well since you didn't you apparently don't want to know.