First they came for bumpstocks

[ladder13]

You have to realize that some people here think just like them.

 

[Ackley1952]

If your employee abuses you it's not the employees fault . This isn't rocket science. Just like raising kids it all depends on what you want to end up with .

 

[SC_Mike]

I'm keeping what I have.

 

[steelslaver]

I own the building. That tea wasn't that heavy. When the sheep tire of being led change will come . When more ride on wagon than those pulling wagon the trip will shorten .

I like the quote, but the problems are still going to happen when the wagon is being slowly overloaded and slowing down. Plus, there is no guarantee of what the outcome is going to be when the pullers say enough.

Plus; The fact that public servants are just that don't cut much ice when they won't acknowledge that and the majority don't either.

 

[Telecaster]

AWB '19: "If you like your guns, you can keep your guns."

 

[Ackley1952]

Look at the job a person has done in raising their kids. That will tell you whether they need to lead, follow, or just get out of the damn way.

 

[somorris]

If you think gun confiscation cannot happen here, read about what happened in New Orleans during and after Katrina hit. There is a very fine line between law and order and anarchy.

 

[handejector]

It is time for a lot of you to read the rules here.
If you want these discussions to stay open, keep it focused. We don't do general political and social commentary.

They are here if you have trouble locating them-

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NOTE these especially:

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This is NOT:
This is not where you post general political discussion and comments on OTHER issues not related to the 2A. Other issues are the economy, Obamacare, general Lib bashing, tinfoil and black choppers, how to start a revolution, etc, etc.
Keep it focused on the 2A issues.

This is not where you discuss what the 2nd Amendment means to you or a free people in general. We already know that. We understand the philosophy.

This is not where you bash the states/locations that suffer under restrictive gun laws.

This is not where you post your "What If's".

This is not where you swear your "Cold Dead Fingers" oath. Print it out and pin it to your door.

This is not for the latest news about some scumbag shooting someone or getting arrested with a gun.

This is not where you post your latest AR or AK.

This is not for discussing gun and ammo prices or availability.

This is not where you post which movie stars or talking heads are currently bashing the 2nd Amendment.

This is not where you moan about liberalism or the changes in our culture.

This is not for the latest news on a gunowner using a gun lawfully for self dense, unless it is simply an OUTSTANDING situation that we can use in the halls of Congress.

This is not where you will fix everything wrong with our society.

 

[BC38]

I've thought about that for decades.

...and yet you continue to use divisive terms like FUDDS when referring to other gun owners? Because...?

If you realize it further divides and alienates gun owners, and UNITING is the only way we have a chance, why do it?

Just trying to understand where you're coming from.

 

[ladder13]

You can take it to a pm if you like I have too many demerits to respond.

UPDATE Well since you didn't you apparently don't want to know.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Time to lock up this mess . . .

 

[Walkingwolf]

In all fairness, the rights you enumerate above are not unlimited either . . .

Except that those rights are not enforced before a crime is committed. It would be like taping a person's mouth before they enter a theater to prevent them from yelling fire.

The second is the only right where the people are punished because they maybe, might, could commit a crime. Law abiding citizens do not break laws, criminals do.

 

[Walkingwolf]

I understand your feelings, but perhaps we should avoid alienating and dividing gun owners. The other side is pretty united and we need to try and be more so.

May I suggest that calling someone a fudd or rino isn't going to change their viewpoint or garner their support. It may just harden them against reasonable arguments pointing out why they need to revise their position. Pushing people closer to the other side is not a winning strategy. Granted, we may never convince some gun owners to understand the issues the way we do, but let's at least try not to push them even farther into the other camp. It is going to be a rough few years ahead and we will need all of the support we can muster.

More than ever, we need to be more sophisticated about how we fight this political battle.

Just something to think about.

The problem that is exactly what Fudds do, divide the gun owners. They do it on various issues from types of carry to what firearms are allowed to be carried. Unlike many gun owners who support all legal use of firearms they only support those that they believe in, and spend much time insulting those that go their own way. If any doubts go back and read any of the locked open carry threads, you will see the vitrol that is there. It does not come from non Fudds, it comes from the Fudds. Fudds are more dangerous to our rights than even the hoplophobes. Most of our gun control was written by Fudds.

 

[Roller Delayed]

The problem that is exactly what Fudds do, divide the gun owners. They do it on various issues from types of carry to what firearms are allowed to be carried. Unlike many gun owners who support all legal use of firearms they only support those that they believe in, and spend much time insulting those that go their own way. If any doubts go back and read any of the locked open carry threads, you will see the vitrol that is there. It does not come from non Fudds, it comes from the Fudds. Fudds are more dangerous to our rights than even the hoplophobes. Most of our gun control was written by Fudds.

I think the Fudds would say the same about slogan-oriented jingoistic rhetoric on the far right of the issue. Certainly the most emotional animus and insults seems to come from people like you that would rather slander anyone who isn't in lockstep than discuss it with them.

 

[REM 3200]

I give up. What's a FUDD ?

 

[Roller Delayed]

I give up. What's a FUDD ?

Elmer Fudd. Any old school, lever action kinda of low volume, non-tactical shooter who might not CC, have a loaded AR next to his bed, spend $10K a year in practice ammo, etc.

You know, a regular person.

 

[BC38]

"A house divided against itself cannot stand."

We're doomed....

 

[Walkingwolf]

"A house divided against itself cannot stand."

We're doomed....

Exactly, to exist as gun owners in the future we must accept ALL LEGAL forms of gun use, and ownership not stab each other in the back.

I do not own a bump stock, do not own an AR, don't intend to, BUT I support the right of every law abiding citizen to own, and use those arms. Just because I don't drink alcohol does not mean I want alcohol outlawed for consumption. Those that drink responsibly/legally should be left alone. I support the BOR as they were written, not to be used as an excuse to remove rights, or water them down. Our founders knew full well what they wanted to convey, there were no hidden meanings.