Flash Suppressor Replacement Help

[VTXRover]

So I just received the new MOE model #811035. I had it sent to my FFL in NJ who had to pin the stock and swapped out the 25 rd mag for a 10 rd. Been to the range twice before one of the guys there says, hey, that's illegal? He stuck his finger in the front of the barrel and said that's not a brake. I could have sworn it was, but I'm wrong. After further review, the S&W site says its a suppressor. That sux!! And it wasn't welded on of course. Not sure how my FFL didn't bring this up.

So I'm trying to figure out what replacement brake I can get. I was checking out brownells, but can't figure out which one would fit. And I'm trying to keep the price down under $40 if possible. Then I got to go back to my FFL (40 min drive) and have him replace it and weld it on... more money.... uffaa.

I do love it though. Put about 150 rounds through it and had a few typical FTF magazine issues, but not too bad. Also blaming the cheap Winchester rounds...

So hoping you guys can put some URL links for me to check out!

Thanks in advance for you advice.

Rov

 

[WilsonFlyer]

I have a tangent question, if I may.

So your FFL is allowed to swap the magazine and pin the stock and suddenly it's NJ legal? I don't care, it's just a curiosity but I assumed it was illegal for that gun to ever even BE in NJ. Isn't your FFL still holding an illegal magazine? More importantly, isn't it just as illegal for him to have it as you?

I think the laws are stupid as hell but I am interested in how they work once they are in place.

 

[HaroldOhio]

The Smith & Wesson web site has this description for your 15-22

Threaded Barrel with A1-Style Compensator
(1/2 x 28” Thread)

What is the NJ law concerning a device that is installed on the end of a threaded barrel? What's the difference between a 'compensator' or 'brake' or flash hider'.

Is a threaded barrel legal in NJ?

 

[VTXRover]

So NJ laws blow... our FFL's can sell any weapon to the right persons... like law enforcement. they can also accept any type of weapon, but can only sell them to the right people... so in my case, I'm a civilian and can't have anything special and must meet the "anti-assualt rifle laws".

New Jersey Division of Criminal Justice

"New Jersey law lists firearms that are prohibited "assault firearms." N.J.S.A. 2C:39-1w.(1). In addition, the law provides that the term "assault firearm" includes, "Any firearm manufactured under any designation which is substantially identical to any of the firearms listed" in the law. N.J.S.A. 2C:39-1w.(2). Thus, a firearm is an assault firearm if it is included on the list of banned firearms or if it is manufactured under a different designation than a firearm on the list but is "substantially identical" to a specific listed firearm.

A semi-automatic firearm should be considered to be "substantially identical," that is, identical in all material respects, to a named assault weapon if it meets the below listed criteria:

A. semi-automatic rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of the following:

1. a folding or telescoping stock;
2. a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
3. a bayonet mount;
4. a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
5. a grenade launcher;

So basically any rifle w/ a pistol grip automatically can't have any of the following... so collapsible stocks must be pinned and anything on a threaded barrel must be welded so it can't be removed. And some how a muzzle brake is ok and a flash suppressor isn't... all BS if you ask me...

Still need to figure out a good replacement. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks!!

 

[Majorlk]

The Smith & Wesson web site has this description for your 15-22

Threaded Barrel with A1-Style Compensator
(1/2 x 28” Thread)

What is the NJ law concerning a device that is installed on the end of a threaded barrel? What's the difference between a 'compensator' or 'brake' or flash hider'.

Is a threaded barrel legal in NJ?

The A1 is simply a flash hider, no matter what S&W says.

Compensator: a device with slots in the top (and maybe sides) to allow expanding gas to force the muzzle of the barrel down.

Brake: a device with slots on the sides, angled rearward, to reduce felt recoil.

Flash Hider: a device (various designs) to reduce the visible muzzle.

While there is some overlap in actual operation, the three terms are not synonymous.

 

[Dikinalaska]

I believe I have a muzzle brake on my Sport(bottom). So if understanding correctly, in NJ you can have a muzzle brake but not flash "suppressor"? If so it seems ridiculous to me that you could pin something like I have on yours legally, but couldn't have the factory birdcage. I could be misunderstanding tho, it happens often.

 

[VTXRover]

Nope, you're right... NJ is ridiculous... we can have a brake but not a suppressor. And it needs is to be pinned or tack welded on once replaced so you can't easily remove it...

I found a bunch available once I searched for 1/2 x 28 muzzle brake.

Thanks folks.

 

[Majorlk]

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I believe I have a muzzle brake on my Sport(bottom). So if understanding correctly, in NJ you can have a muzzle brake but not flash "suppressor"? If so it seems ridiculous to me that you could pin something like I have on yours legally, but couldn't have the factory birdcage. I could be misunderstanding tho, it happens often.

It's hard to tell from the photo, but you are probably correct.

Connecticut has the same stupid rule.

 

[Majorlk]

Nope, you're right... NJ is ridiculous... we can have a brake but not a suppressor. And it needs is to be pinned or tack welded on once replaced so you can't easily remove it...

I found a bunch available once I searched for 1/2 x 28 muzzle brake.

Thanks folks.

Just a nit pick ...

The proper term for the device is a flash HIDER. Suppressors are different animals.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

Just a nit pick ...

The proper term for the device is a flash HIDER. Suppressors are different animals.

Interesting. I'm a fanatic over terminology too but I disagree with you on this one. It is a suppressor of flash and so long as the "flash" modifier is used in front of "suppressor" and it is not used alone as to imply sound, as is the commonly accepted usage, I think it's OK.

Just a differing opinion.

 

[Dikinalaska]

Interesting. I'm a fanatic over terminology too but I disagree with you on this one. It is a suppressor of flash and so long as the "flash" modifier is used in front of "suppressor" and it is not used alone as to imply sound, as is the commonly accepted usage, I think it's OK.

Just a differing opinion.

I agree with you in the wordage. But it would seem as though using two technically correct terms together in relation to firearms will bug somebody. I used the term bullet heads once and boy was that a fiasco. Technically I was talking about the tip(synonym for head) of the bullet, but nope, that's wrong.

 

[jonesy814]

So NJ laws blow... our FFL's can sell any weapon to the right persons... like law enforcement. they can also accept any type of weapon, but can only sell them to the right people... so in my case, I'm a civilian and can't have anything special and must meet the "anti-assualt rifle laws".

New Jersey Division of Criminal Justice

"New Jersey law lists firearms that are prohibited "assault firearms." N.J.S.A. 2C:39-1w.(1). In addition, the law provides that the term "assault firearm" includes, "Any firearm manufactured under any designation which is substantially identical to any of the firearms listed" in the law. N.J.S.A. 2C:39-1w.(2). Thus, a firearm is an assault firearm if it is included on the list of banned firearms or if it is manufactured under a different designation than a firearm on the list but is "substantially identical" to a specific listed firearm.

A semi-automatic firearm should be considered to be "substantially identical," that is, identical in all material respects, to a named assault weapon if it meets the below listed criteria:

A. semi-automatic rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of the following:

1. a folding or telescoping stock;
2. a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
3. a bayonet mount;
4. a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
5. a grenade launcher;

So basically any rifle w/ a pistol grip automatically can't have any of the following... so collapsible stocks must be pinned and anything on a threaded barrel must be welded so it can't be removed. And some how a muzzle brake is ok and a flash suppressor isn't... all BS if you ask me...

Still need to figure out a good replacement. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks!!

Number 4 says flash supressor or a threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor, so wether its a flash supressor, compensator, brake..or whatever, the threaded barrel would be illegal, wouldnt it?

 

[Dikinalaska]

Number 4 says flash supressor or a threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor, so wether its a flash supressor, compensator, brake..or whatever, the threaded barrel would be illegal, wouldnt it?

Only if you don't have something pinned/welded onto those threads

 

[Majorlk]

Interesting. I'm a fanatic over terminology too but I disagree with you on this one. It is a suppressor of flash and so long as the "flash" modifier is used in front of "suppressor" and it is not used alone as to imply sound, as is the commonly accepted usage, I think it's OK.

Just a differing opinion.

And the confusion continues ...

 

[Majorlk]

I agree with you in the wordage. But it would seem as though using two technically correct terms together in relation to firearms will bug somebody. I used the term bullet heads once and boy was that a fiasco. Technically I was talking about the tip(synonym for head) of the bullet, but nope, that's wrong.

Complete round: round or cartridge (not bullet, although that is commonly used)

Bullet, more correctly called projectile: that which is propelled down the barrel and impacts the target.

Tip: corrupt term for bullet

Head: Naval term for bathroom. Also corrupt term for bullet.

I had never heard these last two terms used for bullets until about two years ago. They seem to have come from across the pond.

 

[yugowego]

Daniel Defense Flash Suppressor

 

[Dikinalaska]

Complete round: round or cartridge (not bullet, although that is commonly used)

Bullet, more correctly called projectile: that which is propelled down the barrel and impacts the target.

Tip: corrupt term for bullet

Head: Naval term for bathroom. Also corrupt term for bullet.

I had never heard these last two terms used for bullets until about two years ago. They seem to have come from across the pond.

See the problem was, in that instance I was talking only about the projectile, not the full round.

 

[tacticool22]

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[VTXRover]

OK. Tried to post under separate thread, but got no responses...

I have to replace the A2 Flash Suppressor that came w/ my MOE 15-22. I picked up a new Yankee Hill Phantom Muzzle Brake and ready to at least try to take off the stock one and put on the new one.

Yankee Hill Machine Phantom Comp/Brake - YHM-28-5M1 - Primary Arms

I haven't done this on any rifle and looking for tips before I just start yanking on it... I'll eventually have to get it welded on or pinned as I'm from the NJ, but wanted to understand how that crush ring works and how I put it on... i.e. tappered end towards end of barrel? No instructions came w/ it.

I'm assuming I just take my wrench out, maybe protect the barrel w/ some duct tap and carefully place it in a vice, and carefully unscrew the stock suppressor? Then reverse the process w/ the new one and the ring...

Thanks in advance for anyone's tips.

Rov

 

[Dikinalaska]

OK. Tried to post under separate thread, but got no responses...

I have to replace the A2 Flash Suppressor that came w/ my MOE 15-22. I picked up a new Yankee Hill Phantom Muzzle Brake and ready to at least try to take off the stock one and put on the new one.

Yankee Hill Machine Phantom Comp/Brake - YHM-28-5M1 - Primary Arms

I haven't done this on any rifle and looking for tips before I just start yanking on it... I'll eventually have to get it welded on or pinned as I'm from the NJ, but wanted to understand how that crush ring works and how I put it on... i.e. tappered end towards end of barrel? No instructions came w/ it.

I'm assuming I just take my wrench out, maybe protect the barrel w/ some duct tap and carefully place it in a vice, and carefully unscrew the stock suppressor? Then reverse the process w/ the new one and the ring...

Thanks in advance for anyone's tips.

Rov

Couldn't say about the crush ring, but I would suggest putting a block of wood on each side of the barrel and clamp it that way so it doesn't mar up the barrel. And probably only snug it up and try that first, if it starts to spin tighten a little more. No need putting a ton of pressure on it if not need be.