so back to the original question, I think....the 200 gr 45 was called a flying ashtray as it had a HUGE cavern in the end and many companys made them. It is a generic term for a big ole HP 45 and kinda looked like you could use it for an ashtray.
They were very popular before much was known about controlled expansion bullets and how bullet shock trauma actually worked on a body. Everyone thought in unison with, "Bigger hole lets out more hydraulic fluid faster and their motor stops quicker!" Not a bad theory really.
Only real problem was getting them to feed in the 1911's and the few commercial 45 out. I carried a 4506 and it fed them fine. Was a hoot to shoot them at a gallon of water and the bad guys could always see them in the barrel so good effect all around.
Anyone remember Blamo-ammo? They used the 200gr hp in a relatively hot load and filled the cavern with what looked like firecracker powder and a large pistol primer glued in backwards. I think I have some somewhere I will post a pic if anyone is interested and I can find it.
I currently carry a Glock 27 and/or 22 with the 357 barrel in it as it is damn close to performance of a 357 mag (used to be the #1 one shot stopper according to the FBI), very high capacity and recoil similar to a 9mm. I also carry a S&W 642 with laser in 38spl. I was involved in a shooting 3 years ago with the 357 sig and the damage that round caused was UNREAL!!!
I was rammed by a toyota 4 runner that I was following after I walked in on a robbery. It was stolen by a 16yr old work camp j escapee and his 14 yr old girlfriend. Firing left handed out the window of an F250 at a moving vehicle, I connected 7 of 8 rounds (not too bad if I do say so myself.) The 115 gr speer hp that Corbon had loaded went through the tailgate, then the back seat, the left side of the passenger seat and continued on to take a chunk the size of my fist out of her left side above her hip, looked like a pile of hamburger. Over penetrate? Maybe just a tad...BUT DADDY LIKE THE NASTY BULLET!!! Their truck, not so much. Have a great video from the local news too.
I have shot two others with 40 S&W 180 ranger SXT/Black Talon. No over penetration, rounds worked flawless in crook #1, all three opened as expected (one in abdomen above belly button, two ten ringers), dropping him like a rock. Crook #2 caught one round in his upper arm as he turned and it went through and stuck in the wall, plugged with tissue, didn't open weird looking ball ammo to say the least. Round two was through his forearm and then entered his abdomen above his belt on the left side. It did a beautiful J pattern/track and lodged in his right clavicle, unopened. Third round was the money shot as it went through his left elbow and then rib cage as he fell sideways shredding left lung and most of his heart, eventually coming to rest in the skin by his jaw/ear. Bloody mess, but it opened perfectly and was laying on the floor in perfect floral pattern for all to see. So 40S&W works well too.
I have little experience with 45 but know several officers who have had good luck, some with bad ammo (Fed Hydrashocks) that balled up, but a big slow heavy bullet makes a big hole that lets the hydraulic fluid out quickly.
38's, Well, more people have been shot with that caliber (mostly due to the NYPD before the days of the Glock 17) than almost all the others combined...go figure.
Cosmo...if you are still there, all will work. Some better than others. The best thing is to spend time listening and reading posts here. Ask questions, go do on line research with places like the CDC (Center for disease control) on ballistics and wounds from gunshots. Know that most gun fights last 2-3 seconds and 2-5 rounds. Not exactly what you see on TV. These guys know their stuff listen to what they offer and just like buying a car, take everything with a grain of salt as it is their favorite and experiences....it may not work for you, or it may be spot on...Confussed now? Sorry...
John
