FMJ .22 LR rounds... for spooks!

[storeyteller]

Interesting. Thanks for the post.

 

[MP22]

Owned on of those Nylon 66 years ago....wish I still had it. Great little squirrel gun.

 

[AKtinman]

TM pages...

 

[LVSteve]

I wonder why they were jacketed rather than just copper washed?

 

[guy22]

As some of you know I've been doing research on the Remington Nylon 66 line of rifles, which are no longer made and are becoming sought-after collector items. I've found references to suppressed Nylon 66s being used in Vietnam and SE Asia in the '60s and '70s. These were modified by Sionics and issued to the military mostly for clandestine missions - sentry elimination, "snatch operations" and the like. These weapons weighed about 4 pounds and had a "book" range of up to 100 meters. Here's a pic of one of these, later superseded by suppressed Ruger 10/22s.

metal-jacket rounds were specified for these arms, first to assure flawless feeding, and secondly to comply with (not) Geneva Convention but Hague Accord protocols. Until recently, I've been unable to locate any of these rounds - they were hard to get in Vietnam, and are especially rare today. One of my friends is an avid cartridge collector, and was excited to let me know that he had some of these elusive cartridges. I visited him today, and he was kind enough to give me one, which I photographed. The "U" headstamp would indicate manufacture by Remington, which would be natural for the Nylon 66 usage. Again, it's loaded with a FMJ bullet, round nose - no hollow point, not a plated lead type. My friend has chronographed one, and it's in the range of standard-velocity .22 LR rounds.

For spooks! The .22lr has a long history as a spook weopen. It is carried with every black ops group. For close up, quiet stuff it can not be beat.
MK1 Rugers in the 1960's were the CIA's main guns.

Guy22

 

[PALADIN85020]

For spooks! The .22lr has a long history as a spook weopen. It is carried with every black ops group. For close up, quiet stuff it can not be beat.

MK1 Rugers in the 1960's were the CIA's main guns.

Guy22

Quite correct. The .22 LR has long been regarded as an optimum "kill" weapon for covert operations.

In my collection is a rare Ruger MkII .22LR pistol made for the Navy SEALs in 1987. It's in blackened stainless steel. The front sight base is a bit narrower than normal. I suspect this is so the gun can accommodate a special twist-on suppressor, using the front sight as the bayonet-type lug. Regular MkIIs would therefore not accept this suppressor, slotted for the narrower front sight. This is from an overrun of the Navy SEAL contract, one of about 50 pistols made but not issued to the SEALS. Very few of these can be found on the collector market today.

John

 

[Martimus]

Nylon 66's rock! My first rifle was a Remington Nylon 66. Matter of fact I still own that rifle...

I would think that the suppressed version of the Nylon 66 would be blast to shoot...

 

[AKtinman]

While I think of a "spook's" use of a .22 LR would be up close and personal, I find it interesting to compare the specifications of the M24 cartridge with the "standard" .22 LR ammo.

Paragraph 35 concerning the .22 LR Match ammunition specifies that the accuracy at 100 yards is not greater than 2.5 inches extreme spread whereas the specification in Paragraph 32 for commercial .22 LR is 2.2 inches at 100 yards.

The M24 was held to 1.25 inches at 100 yards.

It seems odd that the M24 is held to a higher standard than .22 LR Match ammo.

 

[carpriver]

I feel

so much smarted just my reading this thread. I am going to have an IQ test to see if I got smarter.

 

[Faulkner]

Quite correct. The .22 LR has long been regarded as an optimum "kill" weapon for covert operations.

In my collection is a rare Ruger MkII .22LR pistol made for the Navy SEALs in 1987. It's in blackened stainless steel. The front sight base is a bit narrower than normal. I suspect this is so the gun can accommodate a special twist-on suppressor, using the front sight as the bayonet-type lug. Regular MkIIs would therefore not accept this suppressor, slotted for the narrower front sight. This is from an overrun of the Navy SEAL contract, one of about 50 pistols made but not issued to the SEALS. Very few of these can be found on the collector market today.

John

Very similar indeed to my MKII. I like the blackened stainless steel finish on the SEAL model.

 

[HotRoderX]

Great thread I had no idea that the military used 22's. I guess it was just one of them things I never thought about. That Ruger 22 looks good have you by chance shot it? I don't think personally I could keep my self from shooting at least a few rounds thought it.

 

[Duster340]

Neat stuff. thanks for sharing.

 

[PALADIN85020]

Great thread I had no idea that the military used 22's. I guess it was just one of them things I never thought about. That Ruger 22 looks good have you by chance shot it? I don't think personally I could keep my self from shooting at least a few rounds thought it.

Nope, never shot it. It's in its original box with all the paperwork, both of which are identical to the standard Mark II of that era. I have plenty of other Mark IIs to shoot, so putting some wear on this one would be "not prudent."

John

 

[Trooperdan]

A Marine accidently shot an killed a young female Australian singer at a show near Da Nang in July 1969 using a silenced Hi Standard pistol. he was aiming for his CO. He was convicted and sentenced to 20 years.