Food for thought: What qualifies a firearm as a heirloom?

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I'm seen the statement thrown around; "It's not a heirloom." or something to that effect when discussing firearms, most often when referring to modern, polymer-framed, ultilitarian firearms, but that's got me to thinking, what exactly qualifies a firearm as heirloom material?
I mean, let's face it, most of the firearms folks possess today which are family heirlooms aren't exactly barbecue guns. Heck, more often than not, they aren't really fancy at all, many are old service pistols with worn finishes or hunting rifles/shotguns.

Honestly, we often look at old firearms as heirlooms, but in their day they weren't considered luxurious, nor works of art, and they most certainly considered precious artifacts of a bygone era, they were merely tools, no different in essence to firearms of today.
Sure, they were arguably built to a higher standard of quality, with greater attention to detail, but at the time, that's simply how things were done. They didn't have CNC Machining or other such things to aid them in the process, so they had to be more hands-on, more involved, and without a huge reputation for quality already attributed to their name, they had to make their firearms to the highest standard of quality, even if it resulted in them selling it at a loss.
That's something a lot of folks often take for granted, just how many of the now household names in firearms like Smith & Wesson, began with a lot of financial troubles, multiple instances of bankruptcy, and often times the temporary foreclosure of their businesses. It wasn't because they made poor quality firearms or charged too much or necessarily did anything wrong, it was merely a result of the fact that business was tough and they couldn't always make enough sales to keep their heads above water, but I digress...

The point I'm trying to make here is that the firearms which have been passed down as heirlooms weren't necessarily anything special to the ancestor who originally purchased them, they weren't intended as heirlooms, I doubt that whoever bought them originally ever even put much thought into them ever being passed on to their next of kin. They were most likely purchased to fulfill an immediate need, the same as any firearm you may purchase today.

I think that in many cases folks look at older firearms through nostalgia googles or with romanticized ideas of the history behind it. Because while some heirloom firearms are extremely well preserved, with gorgeous bluing and walnut grips, others have a worn parkerized finish with plastic grips, yet folks still can appreciate them.

So, objectively speaking, who is to say that a current production firearm couldn't be seen the same way by the eyes of your grandchildren and beyond? To you it's just a G43, or an M&P Shield, or an LCP. Nothing special, just your everyday carry gun, but to your grandchildren it's Grandpa's cool old gun that he carried every single day. See what I mean?
You might not see it that way, but what was for instance the Walther PPK if not the Ruger LCP of decades passed? What is the Colt 1911 if not the SIG P320 of decades passed? What is the Smith & Wesson Model 10 but the M&P9 of decades passed?

So next time you go making the statement, "It's not a heirloom." about your current carry gun, think of this thread for a moment, consider what was said, and whether the family heirloom you may possess was of any greater significance to your ancestor when he carried it.
 
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Any gun with "Family History" can be a heirloom !!!!!


I have my Dad's 1938 Colt New Service (6") in .357 magnum with sights (and tuned) by King's in Calf....... that was his working gun as a Police officer for 39 years and his centerfire target gun on the Dept's pistol team......... "family heirloom". I reconnect with him every time I hold those worn old grips!!

Thinking one day my 1990 3913NL w/ Hogue checkered wood grips or my 3" 66 with Spegel Boot Grips will be the same to my boys........ guns I've carried nearly every day for over 30 years......................


I think customizing can add a lot to the idea of a gun reaching family Heirloom status..... as the heirloom gun was personalized to the owner's needs, wants and personality....... I have my Dad's 4" M&P and his Colt Detective Special.... both are stock (too look at) ..... neither holds the same status as his "Big Old Colt .357"
 
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Not trying to be smart, but anything my dad owned or my mother's late husband owned are going to be considered heirlooms to me. My father is still an incredible man and my mother's husband was a really, really, good man. Very reserved, but a man of very good character. He also took really great care of my mother up until he passed away.

I think anything that represents some of you family history (no matter how it represents it) could be considered an heirloom. It is a shame some folks don't realize or appreciate that.
 
I agree with Bam-Bam .

My Dad is approaching 90, and never was a "gun guy". I was with him in the 60s at Sears when he purchased his shotgun, the Sears branded Winchester 1200 pump.

I have that shotgun now, and I think if it as an heirloom. It ain't worth $200, but I'm not selling, so it doesn't matter.
 
Agreed. I guess it does not have to be a $5,000 fancy O/U to be passed down. Some older models may have greater aesthetic appeal in walnut stocks or engraving but firearms that have given me years of enjoyment are fun to pass down to family members for future use. Will be proud to pass on my 1100 trap gun to my son and hopefully he will continue to enjoy it.
 
I recently had a chat with someone interested in collecting.

Age - older the better
Rarity - how many were made, and how many are left
Condition - originality and, well, the condition of the gun
Provenance - who owned it

Provenance is the wild card that trumps everything. If you dad or granddad owned it, the others don't matter. I have a Sears Win 1400 that my late father owned, it's worth almost nothing (not rated for steel shot) but I'll never sell it.

The others factor in to an heirloom to me. I'd hope my kids value the old, rare pieces over my polymer "working guns" and parts-built ARs.
 
I have a High Standard 22 auto pistol I've owned since I was 14 - which is now over 1/2 a century. I shot it, of course, my daughter learned how to shoot with it and now it's my grandkids' turn. I consider it an heirloom and will pass it down in the family!
Jim
 
An heirloom is what the heir decides it is, regardless of the deceased’s opinion . . .

Basically this, unless the expectantly deceased has been looming over the heir to such a degree that they share the same veneration for the same types of objects and then make a point of passing that on to future generations.

If anything, an heirloom’s significance should be in its history related to the departed previous owner. Value has little relevance. A collector piece or investment purchase that sat in someone’s safe for 40 years is meaningless. So is a revolver that somebody purchased as protection against intruders that never showed up and which spent its life in the box on the proverbial closet shelf.

On the other hand, a shotgun that both grandpa and dad took out bird hunting for decades before you got it: now there is a case to be made for an heirloom, no matter how ratty it looks by now.

For reasons too complicated to explain here, I couldn’t take possession of any of the rifles and shotguns my old man left behind when he crossed to the other side. But I have the Puma hunting knife he carried for over 30 years, and a fired 6.5x54mm Mannlicher-Schönauer casing, the round with which he took his first buck way back in the mists of history. Those are heirlooms to me.
 
Like most other posters, I think it is the family connection rather than the MSRP of the gun that matters. Still, a better gun makes a better heirloom.

When I retired from the FBI I gave away my duty guns. My oldest got my 220, my daughter got my Model 36, my youngest got my Glock 27, and my nephew (who has lived with us since his Dad died) got my 870. They probably consider them heirlooms. If they want to trade them for an Xbox that is their business, though.

I have my grandpa’s Fox Sterlingworth 20 gauge SxS. Definitely an heirloom.
 
Basically this, unless the expectantly deceased has been looming over the heir to such a degree that they share the same veneration for the same types of objects and then make a point of passing that on to future generations.

Agreed. But regardless of the “looming” of the deceased over the heir, “veneration” varies to a great degree. It still is ultimately (somebody trashed a variant of this word on another thread) the heir who decides if the object remains in the family as an heirloom. As an example, I’ve got an Arisaka rifle bring back, in perfect condition, that a great uncle liberated from a dock guard in the Pacific. To me, an heirloom. To my son, who has been regaled with the family history for years but gives not a snot about firearms, “What's it worth?” My brother, on the other hand, got the samurai sword that grampa brought back. His two sons also give not a snot about firearms or family history, but they both nerd playfight in Historical European Martial Arts (HEMA, look it up). Instant heirloom . . .
 
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Merriam Webster says:

1 : a piece of property (such as a deed or charter) that descends to the heir as an inseparable part of an inheritance of real property
2 : something of special value handed down from one generation to another
 
In one sense, an heirloom is an object of such quality and craftsmanship that it can outlast your lifetime with reasonable care and be used by by or passed on to your heirs. Many quality S&W revolvers have had the snot shot out of them, still function reliably in spite of external appearances, and are being carried and used by a third or fourth generation family member. Too early to tell if the same can be said of a Glock three generations from now.
 
I think it relates to the “story” of the gun. Like the .25 Colt Vest Pocket Pistol I inherited from my Grandfather or the 38/44 pre 23 I inherited from my Dad. They both have stories that are part of my family history. Like Muss says, as an heir, they are my version of heirlooms by my choice. And I believe my son will feel the same....
 
We all have our favorites . But what makes an heirloom ? I would say that it would have to do more with memories made with the item ( car, gun , knife , set of tools , etc. ) than it's value . My father has a few guns, and all of them hold memories for me of the first time we shot them together . Are they honestly anything special to anyone else or valuable ? Nope . But the memory for me is what will make them a keepsake of a long gone time with a treasured soul that shared a passion with me .
 
My most cherished heirlooms are a run-of-the mill Remington 1858 that kept my great great grandfather alive through the Civil War. We know it was his through the war as he scratched his initials on one of the grips when he got it.

The other was his father's Pennsylvania percussion cap rifle circa 1820ish. Still has the original cane fitted ramrod.

Somewhere in Mom's house is grandfather to the 5th?'s Brown Bess bayonet from the Revolutionary War. I want to get it reunited with the musket reported to be in a 2nd cousin's possession.
 
Anything that has the family name engraved, but hidden under the stock, is an heirloom... the Mrs. and I do decree. :D
Musical instruments as well.
My grandson will get his Great Great Great Grandfather’s Penn 190 reel next year.... now he uses a wooden hook an a Cuban YoYo..... a possible future heirloom?
 

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Post #14 has the dictionary definition .

Most of the posters in this thread put the emphasis on the second part of definition two . The naysayers put equal or greater on the first part m
 
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