For All The Hard Core 45 ACP People

[biku324]

My patrol relief shift officer went to a suicide on I-40 near Continental Divide wherein a truckdriver shot himself in the chest with a Ruger Super Blackhawk and Remington 240 grain JSP. Blood spatter and post-trauma blood and fluid spray marks were spectacular inside the sleeper where he did the act, but the bullet stopped on his spine without exiting.

Some things don't happen as one would assume.

 

[Dump1567]

Keep shooting the target until it stops trying to assault/kill you. Why I traditionally prefer capacity over caliber. And why I never carry a 5 shot as a primary.

But Nostalgia gets me sometimes.

 

[Buick]

I once shot a deer in the neck with a 12 gauge Foster slug from about 10 yards away and the slug did not exit. Deer expired rather hurriedly though.

 

[gym cat]

Exception to the rule. Shoot 100 people 15 times with a 45 ----- 100 people dead.

 

[Well Armed]

Exception to the rule. Shoot 100 people 15 times with a 45 ----- 100 people dead.

Depending on where they're shot and how fast help arrives.

 

[StrawHat]

Ladon Moten and an AZ DPS trooper shot a murder suspect 8 times with Norma 230 grain JHP and 9 or 10 more times with Winchester 9mm 115 grain +P+ Silvertips. He didn't stop returning fire with his 38 special revolver, which he reloaded under fire, until he bled out from a 9mm nick in his femoral artery.

So what?

Really tells me that the 9mm is not as good as they claim.

Did you choose to ignore the 8 hits with the ACP?

Kevin

 

[rays44]

Only 2 things are apparent to me.
God chose for that man to live for a reason.
I stand in awe of this man and wish him the best in this life.

 

[biku324]

Did you choose to ignore the 8 hits with the ACP?

Kevin

No. The 45 hits were center mass, the 9mm hits scattered. But the blood loss that killed him (he was a recently retired California cop who murdered his wife and took off) according to the autopsy was from the femoral artery artery tear.

 

[ladder13]

Exception to the rule. Shoot 100 people 15 times with a 45 ----- 100 people dead.

I'll take my chances with not having 15 large holes in me.

 

[Echo40]

Only 2 things are apparent to me.
God chose for that man to live for a reason.
I stand in awe of this man and wish him the best in this life.

As long as we're not ruling out the supernatural, I feel in necessary to point out the distinct possibility that one who survives otherwise fatal injuries may not in fact be a servant of the Lord but perhaps an agent of chaos.

Don't presume that one who isn't destroyed by weapons of man is good. He could be a Vampire, a Werewolf, or any number of unholy creatures with unnatural fortitude or regenerative capabilities which render ordinary man-made incapable of killing it.

Sure, in this case it may very well be as simple as a pious man saved from death by divine intervention, but you don't hear many cases of that occurring, and when it does the person tends to walk away mostly unscathed, so I would sooner assume that this is simply a freak occurrence in which a rather resilient man survived a high volume of injuries.

 

[chief38]

This is a good example why 5-6 shots (no matter what the caliber) might not be enough. A good case for a Semi Auto and extra mag's. Good thing the Marine had one in the chute!

 

[6518John]

Don't presume that one who isn't destroyed by weapons of man is good. He could be a Vampire, a Werewolf, or any number of unholy creatures with unnatural fortitude or regenerative capabilities which render ordinary man-made incapable of killing it.

Mr. Echo40–I congratulate you. Just when I thought I had read it all on this forum, I read this opinion. It is certainly not one we see everyday on here. Although I do worry it will lead to "what is the best caliber for a Vampire, Werewolf, or other Unholy creature?" (I did not know you have met my ex-wife and her family).

 

[Rustyt1953]

[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gt3QY2Aa2I[/ame]

 

[smoothshooter]

Must have been ball ammo.
I will agree caliber does not matter much.

 

[wood714]

As long as we're not ruling out the supernatural, I feel in necessary to point out the distinct possibility that one who survives otherwise fatal injuries may not in fact be a servant of the Lord but perhaps an agent of chaos.

Don't presume that one who isn't destroyed by weapons of man is good. He could be a Vampire, a Werewolf, or any number of unholy creatures with unnatural fortitude or regenerative capabilities which render ordinary man-made incapable of killing it.

Sure, in this case it may very well be as simple as a pious man saved from death by divine intervention, but you don't hear many cases of that occurring, and when it does the person tends to walk away mostly unscathed, so I would sooner assume that this is simply a freak occurrence in which a rather resilient man survived a high volume of injuries.

Look up Master Sgt. Roy P. Benavidez.

I've read another web sites about him that claimed a lot of the holes that were in him was shrapnel and not bullet holes. Either way. I'd imagine the bullets that hit him were 7.62x39.

On his second tour of duty in Vietnam, Master Sgt. Roy P. Benavidez embarked on a daring rescue. The mission that he spearheaded saved the lives of eight fellow soldiers — but also left Benavidez himself riddled and bleeding, shot 37 times.

"The injuries were so severe that they thought he was dead," says his daughter, Yvette Benavidez Garcia. "So they put him in the pile of the dead, and he was trying to muster up enough strength to get this medic to notice he was alive. And all he could do was spit in the medic's face. That's when the medic realized: This man's alive."

 

[SGT ROCK 11B]

Dude was shot 15 times with a 45 and lived, and no he wasn't hopped up on drugs.

Well good for him. Nice anecdotal story. Really does not change anything from my LEO perspective.

 

[SGT ROCK 11B]

Must have been ball ammo.
I will agree caliber does not matter much.

From the video they said Hornady Critical Duty 45 +P.

 

[SGT ROCK 11B]

Look up ...

War Stories BTW, is just that.

 

[rockquarry]

War Stories BTW, is just that.

You're right, but some live, eat, and sleep this stuff and are totally consumed by it. That often gets in the way of good sense and productive threads.

 

[Rustyt1953]

Really tells me that the 9mm is not as good as they claim.

It'll blow a lung out.

 

[Echo40]

Mr. Echo40–I congratulate you. Just when I thought I had read it all on this forum, I read this opinion. It is certainly not one we see everyday on here. Although I do worry it will lead to "what is the best caliber for a Vampire, Werewolf, or other Unholy creature?" (I did not know you have met my ex-wife and her family).

Thank you, and I'll gladly preemptively settle any potential of such an argument taking place with the following statement...

There is no best bullet for reliably stopping an unholy creature such as a Vampire or Werewolf because both are characteristically impervious to any form of permanent damage by mortal weaponry due to their aforementioned regenerative capabilities.

I could make a joke here about .45 Colt/ACP being the best due to it being "The Lord's Caliber" but in the interest of maintaining a serious tone for a serious — albeit outlandish — topic, I will remind everyone that such a sentiment is merely a joke. I can assure you as a devout Catholic that Scripture contains no references whatsoever to God having a favorite or otherwise approved caliber.

Based on my experiences being so unfortunate as to have been born into a family of monsters, I can say to you assuredly that the only thing I've ever witnessed that is capable of repelling an unholy creature are all things of God. Crucifixes, Scripture, and objects of devotion blessed by an ordained minister will work, provided that they are backed by Faith. Fortunately, encountering such creatures tends to make a believer out of anyone.

That being said, for the purpose of identification, please note that descriptions/depictions of such fell creatures have been largely dramatized in novels/motion pictures. To the naked eye and untempered mind, Vampires and Werewolves are practically indistinguishable from Human Beings. In addition, as far as I've seen, drinking blood as well as devouring flesh is a symbolic representation of their actual method of feeding.
Keep in mind, these are supernatural entities, ergo they feed not on flesh and blood, but rather the essence of humanity, their emotions, particularly negative ones. They feed by means of evoking powerful negative emotions from their prey, ergo any bodily harm they cause by doing something so monstrous as drinking blood or taking a bite out of someone is merely a means to that end.

So yeah, you can shoot them with just about anything and the most it will do is temporarily immobilize them, and even that much is going to require such an absurd amount of wounding potential that it frankly isn't worthy of consideration.

You carry firearms for mortal enemies, not undead. That being said, I don't think it could hurt to outfit your firearm with engravings, grips, striker plates, or magazine baseplates inscribed with holy verses or imagery as an improvized secondary repellent.

 

[M29since14]

…Although I do worry it will lead to "what is the best caliber for a Vampire, Werewolf, or other Unholy creature?" (I did not know you have met my ex-wife and her family).

For this, I had to permit myself a chuckle or two, though I certainly don't advocate using deadly weapons on ex-wives, no matter how obstinate they may be. (And I realize the writer does not, either.) But I did rather enjoy the term "unHoly creature," as it seemed to me very apt.

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

for the 10 years I taught CWP training in SC. We always taught to shoot center mass(the big part) . And keep shooting till the threat is over.

 

[AJ]

for the 10 years I taught CWP training in SC. We always taught to shoot center mass(the big part) . And keep shooting till the threat is over.

I taught Marines and sailors combat pistol courses for awhile on active duty. Was part of the Security Force Battalion Fleet Antiterrorist Security Team. We taught gunfighting as the Navy Seals called it. Two to the chest and one to the head if needed, but to keep shooting until the fight was finished. Was asked a few times about shooting to disable. Our response was "Keep shooting until the fight was finished, if the other guy died in the process, OH, well he started it".

 

[Triggernosis]

Placement is key. Not caliber..........Should be a proverb.........You could saw off one's leg with a 30 rd clip from an M16 and they still live. Don't put much stock on OP's post...........Same way with a large animal...Bad shot animal runs and dies later OR Lives to see another day.

You said "clip". Now, go stand in the corner!

 

[LoboGunLeather]

Two combat tours in Vietnam, usually carrying a .45 pistol. I don't remember a single customer complaint. Always did the necessary job.

Hit with shrapnel several times, rockets, mortars, USAF close air support (emphasis on CLOSE). Knee, both legs, hip, buttocks, back, shoulder, upper chest, left arm and hand.

Hit with rifle fire in the left forearm. Took one through my steel helmet that gave me a skull fracture and a new hairstyle, the only one I didn't walk away from (memorable helicopter flight, woke up in Japan, returned less than a week later).

My VA medical file has a full X-ray record, ordered before they would run me through the MRI or CT scans. Stray metal objects can remain for years without causing problems, but may behave in nasty ways when subjected to such procedures.

Knew an old boy years ago who retired as a railroad detective and express agent (back in the early 20th Century), carried a .44 revolver bullet in his lung for about 40 years, then coughed it up at the dinner table one day.

A story here, an experience there. We learn what we can from these.

I still prefer the .45 pistol. I avoid combat zones and countries where I haven't been invited.

 

[pasound]

This thread reminds me why I bought two cases of M1153 and one M1152 9mm, and a case of Speer G2 45ACP+P JHP, when they were available for retail.

 

[SGT ROCK 11B]

This thread reminds me why rich people hire Bodyguards.