For those having FTF issues with their 45 Shield.

[Funflyer]

When I read things like that it always makes me scratch my head. I could be wrong, but I think limp wristing happens to some shooters more than we might think (even with experienced shooters), and I suspect this is often misinterpreted as a "mysterious gun issue."

I have to agree. My Shield 45 has only had 2 FTF nosedives in 500 rounds and both happened when my BIL was firing it.

 

[dben002]

I have had my Shield 45 for a little over a year now, probably 700 rounds through it..Never had a FTF with either mag....however, I do polish and rem oil the inside of the mags and the followers on a regular basis........that said I am not a gunsmith, nor did I ever play one on TV and I never stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, so Im not sure if what I am doing helps or not for FTF's....but as long as I don't have them I will continue to do what I am doing.....

Sorry to hear you are having any probems with the 45 at all.....
Hope you find the cause/solution soon.

 

[pmc847]

I have a 9mm shield that run flawless. Sometimes when I unload a mag by thumb a round will hang up on the front edge of the mag wall. It catches on the cartridge edge. I beveled the offending edge and no more hang ups. Could this also be a solution to the 45 FTF problem? Just a thought.

Cheers

Philip

 

[petepeterson]

When I read things like that it always makes me scratch my head. I could be wrong, but I think limp wristing happens to some shooters more than we might think (even with experienced shooters), and I suspect this is often misinterpreted as a "mysterious gun issue."

I agree with you. But she somehow doesn't limp-wrist her Glock 19, 42, or any of my autos. Hence, that piece just isn't her thing.

 

[bigbob76]

How do I know if I have the old follower or the new follower? Thanks, Bob

 

[swsig]

How do I know if I have the old follower or the new follower? Thanks, Bob

There is a vertical groove in the right front corner of the new follower.

 

[FloridaS&W]

How do I know if I have the old follower or the new follower? Thanks, Bob

Yep there's a little vertical notch on the corner, in this photo the new style is in front

 

[Sgt Neutron]

With mine, it doesn't matter. Ammo, mags, (I've got five, two flush, three extended), three different guide rods, including a stainless steel. Intermittent FTF with all of the above. Been back to the factory once, the gurus at my LGS have had it twice. No one else can get it to fail. Picking it up tomorrow, giving it one more try. If it fails, it's gone. Hate to let it go, it's a great shooter,,, when it shoots.

This is pretty much spot on to my 45 Shield. Two 6 rounders(one with a "new" style follower, one with an "old" style), three 7 rounders (all with "new"style followers). Would stop after second round out of the magazine. When the gun was new, it was very intermittent. It got progressively worse over time. Two handed hold minimized stoppages. Most FTF happened when shooting one handed. I'm thinking that it needs a really firm hold, and is susceptible to even the slightest "limp wristing". For a defensive handgun, being able to shoot one handed & with the weak hand is essential.

 

[scartnal]

1. 7-round mag only (6-round mag has never failed)
2. 230 gr.
3. Standard velocity
4. FMJ

I have new style followers in the magazines and magazines have been cleaned. I still get the nose-down FTF. When it happens, the round isn't clearing the magazine. It's not hanging up on the ramp. The nose is still inside the magazine.

I fail to see how limp-wristing could cause this kind of a FTF.

 

[z28lt1scott]

Failure to feed

I have had nose down ftf for over a year, and well over a thousand rounds. I have the new followers in all 4 mags. I have wolf 5% mag springs. I clean the mags after every use. I also spray Teflon dry lube in the mags. S&w polished the ramp and throat, I polished the lower ramp. I was using Winchester 230 grain target,and federal 230 American eagle. I was just about to give up, but decided to try 100 rounds of my carry ammo (federal 230 grain hydra-shock). The gun was flawless, for the first time.

 

[POPPS235]

so has anyone had and luck solving this issue?mine just started doing this to me as well.

 

[Dad_Roman]

Welcome to the club!

How about some background info.

Age of gun?
Mags?
Rounds downrange?
Your experience level?
Type of ammo?
Mods?
Cleaning/lube regiment?
Exactly what its doing? FTF? FTL? Nose up? Stovepipe? etc.

 

[Nonuthin]

A little fuel for the fire....

1. I bought and sold eight new .45 Shields since last April, 2017 and ALL of them failed me with intermittent failures-to-feed with ALL ammo and ALL magazines, even with NEW followers and all the tricks/fixes outlined in this forum tried, but to no avail.

2. I went round and round about the problem with S&W's factory LE reps, customer service reps and LE armorers. We are ALL experienced S&W owners and shooters and we ALL own other caliber Shields that have never exhibited this failure to feed problem.

3. I loved everything about those little .45's but, I could NEVER trust any of them because of their intermittent, unpredictable failures to feed so they all found new homes, with full disclosure of their unpredictability, at a healthy dollar loss to me. I still love S&W even though the .45 Shields didn't love me back!

4. I have friends who own .45 Shields with hundreds of rounds of all kinds of ammo downrange who swear by their reliability. I hate those guys!! (Just kidding.)

5. After my personal, semi-informed experience, I have come to believe that you MUST have a solid hold with locked wrist and elbow to provide an absolutely firm backstop for these little .45's to cycle properly or they will fail to feed reliably. My friends who swear by the .45 Shields are all ham-handed GORILLAS. I'm not.

CONCLUSION: The .45 Shield is a slightly flawed design because of its many dimensional and design compromises in order to achieve its desirably diminutive overall size and weight. Design compromises like in the .45 Shield require a gorilla-like grip and attention to ammunition sensitivity as part of the equation for reliable function.

Attention to these concerns may work for some shooters but not for me. I need a carry weapon that ALLOWS for weak-hand firing reliability and which DOES NOT require a death grip to feed reliably.

So, the lovable little .45 Shield, with its highly desirable sub-compactness, affordability and superior accuracy is a very personal-shooting-style-dependent choice of a weapon. Great for some, but not for others like me.

Please don't drive yourselves nuts if you have a flakey one like I did eight times over. Either accept it as it is or find someone else to provide it a good home. Someday, the factory engineers may introduce a dash 1 or dash 2, etc. version that corrects the design flaws to allow limp-wristers to enjoy the .45 Shield but, that certainly hasn't happened yet and the .45 Shield is going on 3 years old.

Hope this shines a little perspective on the issue...

 

[petepeterson]

Nonuthin'-

You bought eight of the same pistol in a years time? That, sir, is dedication.

 

[Dad_Roman]

Shields....yea. Crazy huh?

5. After my personal, semi-informed experience, I have come to believe that you MUST have a solid hold with locked wrist and elbow to provide an absolutely firm backstop for these little .45's to cycle properly or they will fail to feed reliably. My friends who swear by the .45 Shields are all ham-handed GORILLAS. I'm not.

CONCLUSION: The .45 Shield is a slightly flawed design because of its many dimensional and design compromises in order to achieve its desirably diminutive overall size and weight. Design compromises like in the .45 Shield require a gorilla-like grip and attention to ammunition sensitivity as part of the equation for reliable function.

Thats a VERY interesting observation you have made! Kudos.

 

[kannonvaggon]

I dunno....

I've fired many rounds with my Shield .45 with a one hand grip, either hand and such AND my weak hand is actually WEAK due to a spinal injury... and NEVER had a FTF . I can't MAKE the pistol fail, not even with shotshells and desert dirt. I haven't even needed to change mags or springs. Never even had a mag drop event. I DO make sure to solidly seat all rounds to the rear of the mag well.

I hear ya, but just don't understand how this happens with this pistol unless the grip style being used is somehow interfering with the slide / lock mechanisms ? I just dunno... I would have given up after trying TWO of em . Too bad this model doesn't seem to suit you, I've found it to be my all time favorite EDC .

 

[FloridaS&W]

I dunno....

I've fired many rounds with my Shield .45 with a one hand grip, either hand and such AND my weak hand is actually WEAK due to a spinal injury... and NEVER had a FTF . I can't MAKE the pistol fail, not even with shotshells and desert dirt. I haven't even needed to change mags or springs. Never even had a mag drop event. I DO make sure to solidly seat all rounds to the rear of the mag well.

I hear ya, but just don't understand how this happens with this pistol unless the grip style being used is somehow interfering with the slide / lock mechanisms ? I just dunno... I would have given up after trying TWO of em . Too bad this model doesn't seem to suit you, I've found it to be my all time favorite EDC .

kannonvaggon,

1. For the record, the guy that started this thread (Andy) ended up not really having any issues.

2. If you check the original reference above you will see that my comments about the limp-wrist was actually made about Pete's 9MM Shield, not the 45 Shield.

3. I wouldn't put too much stock into what "Nonuthin" says about the Shield 45. He's kind of a drama queen with a penchant for exaggeration. Last time he told this story, he told us we were all "fools" and "Koo-laid drinkers" if we trusted and liked them. He also told us he bought six of the same gun. Now he's changed it to eight. Here is the thread for reference, and notice the OP of that post ALSO resolved his issue in the end:

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-...d-45-ftf-mystery-w-pix.html?highlight=rooster

 

[Nonuthin]

kannonvaggon,

3. I wouldn't put too much stock into what "Nonuthin" says about the Shield 45. Last time he told this story, he told us we were all "fools" and "Koo-laid drinkers" if we trusted and liked them. He also told us he bought six of the same gun. Now he's changed it to eight. Here is the thread for reference, and notice the OP of that post ALSO resolved his issue in the end:

Well, the Chief Kool-Aid Drinker himself, Mr. FloridaS&W, just can't let anyone who doesn't WORSHIP all that Smith & Wesson shoves out the door have his say. Mr. FloridaS&W has NO CREDIBILITY or objectivity in ANY of his responses as you read through his hyper-defensive posts and demeaning responses to anyone else who hints at criticism of any S&W product. He just can't help himself! Guys like him just plain RUIN the spirit of helpfulness and free expression in forums like this one!

Regardless of Mr. FloridaS&W's depraved obsession to rewrite history and deny reality, I have actually bought, owned and sold several .45 Shields, as I have said in several prior posts - Six as of last fall, 2017 and two more since then, to date. Why? Because I COULD and I DID!

Don't like reality, Mr. FloridaS&W? Go back to your psychiatrist and tell him your meds aren't working!

Also, if you check my previous posts with an open mind, you'll see that I have always tried to be helpful in SOLVING members problems, unlike Mr. FloridaS&W who likes to discredit and blame the gun owner who points out a problem.

I stand behind (and can back up 100%) every one of my posts, including any that call out the fanboys and logo-obsessed truth suppressors like the Kool-Aid addicted Mr. FloridaS&W.

Thank You.

 

[FloridaS&W]

LOL, I rest my case.

 

[bonniet120]

My 45 Shield was completely unreliable and slide stop did not work. It went back to the factory and the slide stop was replaced but the gun could not get through a full mag without a failure to feed. I realized that the last 3 or 4 rounds in the mag feed reliably; the worst were the rounds under the greatest spring pressure from the mag. I fixed the gun myself and it has not missed a beat ever since, but that was my single specimen and may not apply to other 45 shields. If your shield is reliable with the last 3 or 4 in the mag. I would suggest putting something like wheel bearing grease on the center rail part of the slide. What slides over the cartridges in the mag. Mine had cross cut marks on that surface; which I believe are necessary. If your gun functions until the grease is flicked off, you might have the same problem I once had.