For those of you with blown out extractors on your M&P 15-22... I have a question.

[Majorlk]

Just my own experience ...

Over the past 40+ years I have shot close to a million rounds of .22 LR of just about every brand available during those years. I have yet to experience an OOB with any ammo. The very few I am acquainted with were on firearms in basically filthy condition. I subscribe to theory that problem is almost firearm-related, not ammo-related.

 

[030201_S&W]

Fire arm dirty + clean the trigger or weak spring or all the above. I assume the firearm is in good operating condition elsewise.

 

[A100user]

I have had my extractor replaced twice and I realised the issue was not the gun.

I used to keep a breach flag in when not in use and on occasions the bolt catch was released - in the bag or just laying it down. The extractor was driven up to the flag and over time it became dislodged. I no long store the gun with a flag in.

 

[tomcatt51]

Might be interesting to understand round count on the day of the failure to determine if dirty chambers are a culprit.

I suspect it has little to do with "round count on the day of the failure" and everything to do with a dirty chamber. I see too many people fuss over cleaning the bore while seeming to leave all the crud they cleaned out of the bore sitting in the chamber. It's easy to see if the bore is clean. It's much harder to see if the chamber is clean and actually get it clean.

 

[SmokeStack Lightning]

I suspect it has little to do with "round count on the day of the failure" and everything to do with a dirty chamber. I see too many people fuss over cleaning the bore while seeming to leave all the crud they cleaned out of the bore sitting in the chamber. It's easy to see if the bore is clean. It's much harder to see if the chamber is clean and actually get it clean.

I use a desk mounted, lit magnifier and nylon dental picks for this purpose.

The build up of carbon is well camouflaged too, because w/o the magnifier, I don't see squat.

And, I too, have never experienced an out of battery misfire in my whole live long life. (Or failed extractor).

 

[Pondoro]

I've seen four of these events personally. All on very hot days and all during matches where multiple people shared a gun, thus the guns did get dirty. We cleaned the guns a few times during the day but still you know the gun was getting dirty. One gun did this, was sent back to Smith, and had a repeat event. Three different types of ammo. I'm currently using a Ruger, I'll let you know if it does the same.

 

[photoracer]

No properly designed rifle should fire out of battery with any ammo of the right caliber. That's why there are SAAMI specs. If a hollow point bullet causes it to get hung up during feeding then it should only jam not fire. This might seem like no big deal because it's just 22 rounds blowing up and a few rifles going back to the factory, but imagine if this were 223 rifles firing OOB. A recall may be in order once they collect enough data from returned rifles and find a fix.

Sorry but in the case of .22 that is a crock. OOB are a problem exclusively to blowback action firearms, which among other things means mostly rimfires (and .25-.380 pistols). Several things can cause it hardly any of which have anything to do with the SAAMI specs. Slamfires, crud in the chamber, and rounds with excessive OAL can all have a part in it. But the reason is that the design of blowback guns requires that the trigger be able to trip slightly before the action completely closes. So if the round can't fully chamber due to crud, it can go off. And if the bolt bounces similar to a slamfire it can go off, and if the round is slightly too long (especially if you are using a PC model with a match chamber) it can go off. Not to mention if you are firing extremely fast, as in you have a 3-gun trigger in your gun and you are trying to do the 25 rds in 5 seconds drill it can happen.
Now in 2010 when the problem first reared its head they put in a stiffer blue recoil spring to eliminate the bounce/slamfire issue. That was the main fix. But using the wrong ammo in a PC model can cause it also so they have lists of yay and nay ammos to use. Remember there is a very fine line in ammo power that allows a blowback design to function perfectly. And getting crud in the chamber so the round does not fully seat is something that has to be watched by the shooter picking the least dirty ammo and keeping the chamber relatively clean (does not mean clean more often but watch out for dirty ammo like Remington brand. If the round does not fully seat the bolt closing will try to push it into the chamber all the way and if you have already pulled the trigger it will go off slightly before its closed. Still pretty rare considering the amount of guns and ammo poured thru 15-22s daily. Heck when I used to use a Remington 597 in Ruger Rimfire I had 4 OOBs in the space of 2 years, 2 in practice and 2 in matches. I have had none with either of my 15-22s since getting the first in 2011. But I did lose an extractor in my PC model when I had a jam using slightly longer ammo, in this case Federal Champion (blue box), when it popped off the bolt when trying to clear it. S&W still wanted my gun back to check it out.
If you want to see this in slow motion. Pull the bolt back slightly in any .22 firearm, then after pulling the trigger back slowly let the bolt go back towards battery and you will see it goes off slightly before the bolt closes. Or you can do it the other way and pull the bolt back slightly and see how soon you can get the trigger to fire before you release the bolt completely. Its this action function that allows people who don't like to dryfire their .22 to get the hammer down after an RO tells them to close the hammer after a match.
And why this is uncommon in .25-.380 firearms is because they have recoil springs way out of proportion to their slide travels for this very reason. Plus they have ammo that produces lots more energy in general that a .22LR. Also why so many find the slides on those guns hard to pull back in many cases. Its a fine line between function and failure in a .22.

 

[photoracer]

I've seen four of these events personally. All on very hot days and all during matches where multiple people shared a gun, thus the guns did get dirty. We cleaned the guns a few times during the day but still you know the gun was getting dirty. One gun did this, was sent back to Smith, and had a repeat event. Three different types of ammo. I'm currently using a Ruger, I'll let you know if it does the same.

From 2010 to mid-2011 I had 4 OOBs in my Remington 597 I used for Ruger Rimfire. From mid-2011 to mid-2014 I used 15-22s and had no issues although I saw several OOBs others had in 2010 events. From mid-2014 to present I have used a custom 10/22 with zero issues except for occasional dud rounds that the 10/22 extractors sometimes can't get out of the chamber. So using good ammo is key. I use nothing but CCI-AR Tactical in my rifles from when it came out around 2011. 40g Mini-Mags in my pistols. Sometimes lesser ammo in a match that is not really important.

 

[ajzadavis]

I won't use winchester ever again had the same problem with the super x

 

[Joe.45]

No, no... Shoot what ever U want, all U can shoot... If anything happens to your 15-22 just send it to S&W until they fix the problem... Eventually they'll get it right. Take advantage of the S&W warranty which is one of the best in the market.

 

[Dabohm]

S&w 15/22 MP missing extractor

Anyone know how I can get my extractor replaced? It's very frustrating and such an inconvenience not having the casings eject properly. used federal ammo. Spent 480$ on the rifle for it not to work correctly is upsetting. Need to find out how much for replacement. And / or how long it will take if I send it to S&W? Do I pay for shipping? NEED HELP. any suggestions?

 

[bacardigold]

Is it just the extractor you need or do you need the spring and plunger too? If just the extractor then buy a Volquartsen Exact Edge extractor if you need the spring and plunger as well then you will probably have to go to S&W.

 

[dindo26]

I am from the Philippines and i just had the same problem with my mp15-22 rifle. So how do I get my rifle fixed when there are no available extractors here?

Smith and Wesson should ship the parts needed to their supplier here in the Philippines, otherwise this is poor after sales service

 

[GhostMutt]

I am from the Philippines and i just had the same problem with my mp15-22 rifle. So how do I get my rifle fixed when there are no available extractors here?

Smith and Wesson should ship the parts needed to their supplier here in the Philippines, otherwise this is poor after sales service

If you are only after the extractor and still have your plunger and spring, then get your gunshop to order you a Volquartsen 15-22 extractor. Excellent part!
If you also lost your plunger and spring then check Numrich gun parts, i think they deliver internationally but you'd have to check. Your local gunshop should be able to get them for you. If Numrich ever get stock back in!

 

[micocyco]

I am from the Philippines and i just had the same problem with my mp15-22 rifle. So how do I get my rifle fixed when there are no available extractors here?

Smith and Wesson should ship the parts needed to their supplier here in the Philippines, otherwise this is poor after sales service

Have you contacted S&W ? What did they say ? Are they going to pay for you to ship it back ?
Very interested in hearing more about this, please keep us posted

 

[ranier]

Extractor on my 15-22 blew out with less than 1000 rounds of Norma Tac22. Didn't want to hassle with sending it back to S&W so just bought the Volquartsen extractor and it's been running flawlessly since with everything - Norma, CCI, Aguila, Remington.

 

[bamashooter]

I am from the Philippines and i just had the same problem with my mp15-22 rifle. So how do I get my rifle fixed when there are no available extractors here?

Smith and Wesson should ship the parts needed to their supplier here in the Philippines, otherwise this is poor after sales service

If you can find another person with a 15-22, see if he'll let you borrow the extractor to make a template. I've seen tons of gun and automobile parts custom made by Filipinos. That should be one of the easier parts to make.

Here you go. Official distributors of Volquartsen: Manila Gun Store, Repairs, Gunsmithing – Jethro Shooting Range

 

[tacticool22]

Get the improved extractor, enhanced plunger and stronger spring here
Tailhook S&W M&P15-22 Extractor Replacement Part

 

[NDFRC]

Hi Just a quick question on 22 ammo (if there is such a thing), I do suscribe to ammo quality and effects but just what is different with 22 ammo that's marketed for the AR platforms? Is it just a marketing ploy or real technical differences?

 

[cjt50]

Mostly marketing.

CCI's AR tactical looks like the copper washed standard velocity pills moving at 1200 FPS. It was originally packaged in 300 bulk packs. (without the trays)

It seems to group better than CCI's 40grn Mini Mags in the majority of my rifles. It's also a little less expensive due to the packaging. (compared to mini mags)

 

[dlg6034]

Hello in 2020

I just bought this rifle about a month ago and ran about 1500 rounds through it. Winchester Super X fired OOB while I was at the range one day and blew my extractor out. I decided to order a new extractor, spring and plunger from a third party rather than sending it into smith.

 

[Meangene]

Let us know the details of replacing it and how it does at the range.