For us SLIDE FIRE MP15-22 owners...

[cajunfirehawk]

Who will be the first to get one? I know someone will pony up... Our interest starts @ the 2:10 mark...and NO, I have no affiliation with these folks, none.
Introducing the Recoil Rail - YouTube

 

[Brett248Vista]

That would be a no-no.. You are adding "springs" into the mix.. There
used to be a bump fire stock that used springs.. The BATFE shut them
down.

 

[97catintenn]

It looked pretty sweet till I saw the price tag. $269.95 It will have to wait.

Besides, my slide fire stock runs faster and is more reliable than his!

 

[ballistictoyz]

wouldn't even try to take that to the range with a bumpfire stock--too much like atkins accelerator.falls into the machine gun category with springs

 

[Brett248Vista]

wouldn't even try to take that to the range with a bumpfire stock--too much like atkins accelerator.falls into the machine gun category with springs

Exactly... If there is a LEO at the range.... One call to the BATFE and someone is in deep doo doo....

 

[cajunfirehawk]

In their faq they mention bearings but I thought somewhere I did see the word spring used but they claim BATF legal?
Jus saying.

 

[HRArms]

wouldn't even try to take that to the range with a bumpfire stock--too much like atkins accelerator.falls into the machine gun category with springs

Not even close. This rail accessory does not change how a riffle fires, it still requires your finger to physically pull the trigger. In each demonstration, they used the slide fire to get the rapid semi-auto fire. This device just isolates the off hand to help you better control your aim.

 

[Brett248Vista]

Not even close. This rail accessory does not change how a riffle fires, it still requires your finger to physically pull the trigger. In each demonstration, they used the slide fire to get the rapid semi-auto fire. This device just isolates the off hand to help you better control your aim.

It most certainly changes the way the rifle fires, it contains springs...

Unless you have a letter signed by the BATFE stating that this is "legal" I wouldn't be giving out advice that could potentially get someone prison time.

 

[cajunfirehawk]

It most certainly changes the way the rifle fires, it contains springs...

Unless you have a letter signed by the BATFE stating that this is "legal" I wouldn't be giving out advice that could potentially get someone prison time.

Again per their faq;

Q. Is the Recoil Rail legal?
A. It is 100% legal; It does not change the function of any firearm or the way

the firearm must be operated in order to fire.


Q. Is the Recoil Rail legal with a bump-fire stock?

A. It is 100% legal; It does not change the function of any firearm or the way

the firearm must be operated in order to fire. The firearm must still be

moved and CAN NOT be fired by simply pulling the trigger like a full

auto.

 

[Brett248Vista]

And do they have a Signed Letter from the BATFE? Have they submitted the product to the BATFE for evaluation?

This really isn't a debatable subject. It's either YES or NO.

 

[Brett248Vista]

Understand that I am not trying to be an ***.. This is not one of those subjects that you say "Well, yeah I think it will be ok" not considering what is going on in this country right now. You need to make sure you CYA when it comes to things like this. Especially considering that things like the Akins Accelerator have already been deemed a "Machine gun" by the BATFE.

 

[97catintenn]

Why would you need a letter from the BATFE? It's just another forearm grip.

 

[Brett248Vista]

Why would you need a letter from the BATFE? It's just another forearm grip.

"The movement is almost frictionless because of its high grade bearings and hardened guide rods. This product is also easy to clean and encased for safety. A spring tensioner is also built in for applications to several calibers. "

Source: https://arklatextactical.com/home.html

Here is an example of a spring assisted device that the BATFE
decided was a "Machine Gun".

 

[ballistictoyz]

there are recoil operated machine guns and this device used in conjunction with a bump fire device is a machine gun--the principal is the same--I suggest doing your home work before playing lawyer--by itself its legal just like the slide fire but together no. you just built a machine gun--I myself don't like the prospect of rooming with bubba for the next 10yrs

 

[Orgone1]

there are recoil operated machine guns and this device used in conjunction with a bump fire device is a machine gun--the principal is the same--I suggest doing your home work before playing lawyer--by itself its legal just like the slide fire but together no. you just built a machine gun--I myself don't like the prospect of rooming with bubba for the next 10yrs

1. No it is not a machine gun. it is a damn recoil damping rail. The Slide Fire is also not a machine gun. There is absolutely nothing in the ATF's description of a machine gun/NFA weapon that matches this combo. Nothing.

2. Unlike the Atkins device, this has a usage that has nothing to do with rapid fire or pseudo full auto. The only reason to own the Atkins was to run your Ruger like a FA weapon. This is not true for this device. It has a legit non rapid fire purpose and similar devices have been around for years.

3. The ATF allows rubber bands, hand cranks and the hellfire nonsense that aid and provide artificially applied inertia enhancing devices to the bumping process.

ATF has bigger fish to fry that these guys.

When the Slide Fire first came on the scene years ago the nervous nellies predicted the ATF would be at their door in no time. Never happened and unlike the Atkins debacle, the ATF letter provided by Slidefire is an iron clad assurance that you are on the right side of the law.

4. One more point, lets say you are at the local range and dumping 50rd Black Dog after 50rdBlack Dog with your SF/Recoil Rail setup. A LEO wanders over and sees your rifle. The Slidefire stock is what is in play here and that is what he/she is going to see. The Picatinny rail/vertical grip looks like every other setup on every other AR style weapon. Nobody is going to give that thing a second thought. Everybody is going to assume you have a standard SF setup.

Would love to see one of these setups in action on a MP 15-22 (beside the one from the company). I get pretty good runs with my Slidefire modified 15-22. Not quite full drum dumps but fast 600-700 firing rate.

 

[ballistictoyz]

ok then I say go for it--we"ll all write you in prison genious

 

[ballistictoyz]

oh by the way research the Johnson m1941 recoil operated light machine gun--that's what they will compare the combination of these two products used together at the trial--btw I never stated it wasn't legal when used by itself but your video shows it enhancing the rate of fire on an ssar stock--buy both and take it to a public range--make sure to invite the local leo and atf agents so they can give you their input on it

 

[Orgone1]

ok then I say go for it--we"ll all write you in prison genious

You do know that NOBODY ever went to prison over the Atkins device, including Bill himself. Even if the ATF declared this an NFA device you would see a similar recall, not a Waco style ninja invasion of ATF agents. Again people said the exact same nonsense (see you in prison) when the Slidefire was first released.

M1941 Johnson Light Machine Gun??? Are you serious?? Yes a MP 15-22 with a SF stock and recoil rail is the mechanical equivalent of a M1941 if you are tripping on mushrooms! Egads man!!

I sleep with a LEO every night I call her Sgt. Wife. She will be amused by your post.

Also I have no video. I don't own the product, just an evil Slidefire stock.

 

[ballistictoyz]

ok then go for it--you'll be our test subject

 

[Lorelei]

I think I may I think I might.