FOUND CASE

[THE PILGRIM]

My son brought me a old handgun case that he found while out hiking.
It's appears to be a rimmed 45 case. It's sitting right now next to a 45AR case. It's shorter than the 45AR and the rim is thinner. It's too corroded on the bottom to read.
I am thinking British, 455 or 450?
What say yea?

 

[Muley Gil]

My son brought me a old handgun case that he found while out hiking.
It's appears to be a rimmed 45 case. It's sitting right now next to a 45AR case. It's shorter than the 45AR and the rim is thinner. It's too corroded on the bottom to read.
I am thinking British, 455 or 450?
What say yea?

Sounds about right.

 

[30-30remchester]

I have hunted and hiked the west for more decades than I care to admit. I found many fired cases over the years. Sometimes there are many cases found together which I assume was some litterbug target practicing. However when I find a single or two spent cases, I stop and try to imagine the circumstances that lead to their abandonment at that place. Coming from big game country I try to imagine what he was shooting at. I don't litter, however when I shoot at big game, I leave the case for other to find in the future. I "harvested" a buffalo a few years back, and used an original 1863-1868 Sharpes carbine in 50-70 Government. I decided to use an original round of ammo from the 1870's. The round went off and a buffalo died. As much as I wanted to keep the expended shell, I left it where it lay. Somebody in the future may find this old brass and surmise since it was a great old buffalo round, was from the 1870's, and was found in buffalo range of the past, that this round must have been used to hunt buffalo. They will be correct, though 130 years later than they thought.

 

[zzzippper]

My son brought me a old handgun case that he found while out hiking.
It's appears to be a rimmed 45 case. It's sitting right now next to a 45AR case. It's shorter than the 45AR and the rim is thinner. It's too corroded on the bottom to read.
I am thinking British, 455 or 450?
What say yea?

I have a cartridge that I can't quite make out the headstamp. I thought it was .45AR or AK. It now seems that I have a 45AR. I have never heard of this round, what can you tell me about it?

 

[TIMETRIPPER]

45 AR is a rimmed case that was developed after WWI for use in the Colt and S&W 1917 revolvers chambered for the 45 ACP round. The 45 AR, or auto rim, eliminated the need of the clips for extraction.

john

 

[zzzippper]

.45 Auto RimFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Type Revolver
Place of origin United States
Production history
Designed 1920
Manufacturer Peters
Remington
Corbon
Specifications
Case type Rimmed[1]
Bullet diameter 0.452 in
Neck diameter 0.4685 in (11.90 mm)
Base diameter 0.4709 in (11.96 mm)
Rim diameter 0.5154 in (13.09 mm)
Rim thickness 0.0827 in (2.10 mm)
Case length 0.9004 in (22.87 mm)
Overall length 1.2646 in (32.12 mm)
Primer type Boxer Large Pistol
Ballistic performance
Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy
160 gr (10 g) JHP 1,050 ft/s (320 m/s) 392 ft·lbf (531 J)
185 gr (12 g) LRN 800 ft/s (240 m/s) 264 ft·lbf (358 J)
230 gr (15 g) FMJ 855 ft/s (261 m/s) 375 ft·lbf (508 J)
230 gr (15 g) FMJ 750 ft/s (230 m/s) 287 ft·lbf (389 J)


The .45 Auto Rim, a.k.a 11.5x23R is a rimmed cartridge specifically designed to be fired in revolvers originally chambered for the .45 ACP cartridge. Remington-Peters developed the cartridge for use in the M1917 revolver, large amounts of which had become available as surplus following the end of the Great War. The M1917 had previously been used with half-moon clips that held three rounds of the rimless .45ACP.[2] If half-moon or moon clips are not used with a rimless cartridge in a revolver, they must be ejected by hand with a rod or field-expedient tool like a pencil. In revolver cylinders not engineered to allow .45ACP to headspace properly, as in early production Colt M1917's, the cartridges could slip forward, stopping them from firing. Adding the rim solved both these issues.[3]

Loads offered were similar to the standard military loads for the .45ACP, but with fully lead bullets rather than the harder alloys used for .45ACP. This was done to reduce barrel wear in the shallow rifled revolvers in which it was to be used. The .45AR case is stronger than the .45ACP case and has a slightly larger case capacity, allowing for increases in performance.[2] It can deliver similar performance to standard pressure loadings in older, dimensionally larger, revolver cartridge designs like .45 Colt.[4]

The round is currently still in production by Corbon in their DPX[5] and Performance Match[6] lines of ammunition and is also manufactured by Georgia Arms.[7]

Thanks wiki!

 

[BearBio]

My niece's husband found a Spencer 56 rimfire one time on a friends ranch in Central California. They had me ID it and I needed calipers and a black powder reference book.

 

[THE PILGRIM]

My niece's husband found a Spencer 56 rimfire one time on a friends ranch in Central California. They had me ID it and I needed calipers and a black powder reference book.

A friend of mine used to research and metal defect at Civil War Sites. One day he found a really big rimmed rim fire rifle cartridge out in Nevada. He asked me about and I say I bring in the good book. That is of course Cartridges of The World. As we looked for the correct match, Bill took a look at the back cover.
Frank Barnes? I went to graduate school with him at the Univ. of New Mexico.
Bill had an original brass US buckle that he found and wore. I say- Please can you find me a CSA buckle? Bill say, probably not. There never were many CS buckles. The Rebs would wear a US buckle up side Down. They would also file off the US.

 

[Muley Gil]

A friend of mine used to research and metal defect at Civil War Sites. One day he found a really big rimmed rim fire rifle cartridge out in Nevada. He asked me about and I say I bring in the good book. That is of course Cartridges of The World. As we looked for the correct match, Bill took a look at the back cover.
Frank Barnes? I went to graduate school with him at the Univ. of New Mexico.
Bill had an original brass US buckle that he found and wore. I say- Please can you find me a CSA buckle? Bill say, probably not. There never were many CS buckles. The Rebs would wear a US buckle up side Down. They would also file off the US.

Actually, there a wide variety of CS buckles. But the styles didn't necessarily have "CS" or "CSA" upon them. There were cast brass buckles, spoon buckles, clipped corner buckles, Georgia frame buckles, roller buckles, state buckles, pre-war buckles, etc.

You need to look at the regimental returns to see what outfit had belts, cartridge boxes, cap pouches, etc, and how many.

 

[Alaska MJ]

I have hunted and hiked the west for more decades than I care to admit. I found many fired cases over the years. Sometimes there are many cases found together which I assume was some litterbug target practicing. However when I find a single or two spent cases, I stop and try to imagine the circumstances that lead to their abandonment at that place. Coming from big game country I try to imagine what he was shooting at. I don't litter, however when I shoot at big game, I leave the case for other to find in the future. I "harvested" a buffalo a few years back, and used an original 1863-1868 Sharpes carbine in 50-70 Government. I decided to use an original round of ammo from the 1870's. The round went off and a buffalo died. As much as I wanted to keep the expended shell, I left it where it lay. Somebody in the future may find this old brass and surmise since it was a great old buffalo round, was from the 1870's, and was found in buffalo range of the past, that this round must have been used to hunt buffalo. They will be correct, though 130 years later than they thought.

A litter bug target practicing?

 

[DWalt]

"The .45 Auto Rim, a.k.a 11.5x23R is a rimmed cartridge specifically designed to be fired in revolvers originally chambered for the .45 ACP cartridge. Remington-Peters developed the cartridge for use in the M1917 revolver"

For the second time in several days, I must correct this statement. The .45 AR was developed by the Peters Cartridge Co., and first appeared in the 1922 Peters catalog. There was no Remington-Peters at that time - they were two completely separate companies. Both were taken over by E. I. duPont during the great depression, which resulted in what amounted to a merger of the two. Peters continued to load shotshells at the Kings Mills (OH) plant for awhile, but production of metallic cartridges was taken over by Remington. But for a long time the Peters brand continued to exist alongside the Remington brand. The R-P headstamp first appeared in the early 1960s.