Fox and Friends

[bubbiesdad]

They were making fun of TN's legislation this morning allowing HCP holders to go into restaurant where alcohol is served. The two girlie men were going on about people getting shot for bumping into someone.

At least the woman on the panel was a voice of reason.

 

[Shorty4T]

I saw this, they were specifically indicating a bar. Not a restaurant that serves alcohol. Clayton and Dave did take the against while Allison was pro.

The wording of the bill may be what's got people making such a fuss about it. Indicating a bar certainly has negative conotations. Other states have passed similar legislation such as GA.

I'd have a problem with lawmakers allowing CCW in bars after having seen some of the people that frequent bars. There was a thread a while back that made mention of a WMA range in middle GA that is normally unmanned. The sightings of people with firearms and alcohol are numerous at this location. Needless to say that most of the structure of this facility has been used as target practice.

This has nothing to do with restaurants that serve alcohol. GA has solved this by providing a clause that determines what a bar and restaurant are by their annual income from either. They also state in the law that you are not able to consume alcohol while you are carrying.

The Fox segment was rather MSNBCish at best. I usually expect stupid stuff from Brian Kilmeade and/or Shepard Smith. That pains me to say since Brian Kilmeade is pro gun.

Most of the people that I know with their CCW license (GFL in my case) tend to stay out of sticky situations while carrying. However this isn't always the case. Until we come up with a fix for stupid there are going to be some restrictions. Hopefully they will be what most of us can live with.

All this being said I think our pro gun legislators need to be a little more cautious about how they word the bills.

Cheers,
Sam

 

[truckermike]

I think what has been said is the best: If your carrying-no booze for you. We all learned a long time ago that guns and booze dont mix

 

[cmort666]

Originally posted by truckermike:
I think what has been said is the best: If your carrying-no booze for you. We all learned a long time ago that guns and booze dont mix

That's my rule, but you'd be surprised at the number of people who think otherwise. They claim they "know their limit". But all too frequently, people who exceed their "limit" don't KNOW it. If that WEREN'T the case, we wouldn't have any DUIs.

I'm for allowing carry in restaurants which serve alcohol. I'm not for people carrying while drinking.

 

[flop-shank]

We have carry in restaraunts that serve alcohol in Michigan. I've never heard of a problem once. Calling such establishments "bars" is just more typical disingenuous BS from the news media, right along with their predictions that legalizing carry there will cause a return to the "wild west". Those jackasses will never let the truth get in the way of their marxist agenda.

Of course drinking while carrying is a no-no in Michigan, but that's just common sense.

 

[ladder13]

Originally posted by truckermike:
I think what has been said is the best: If your carrying-no booze for you. We all learned a long time ago that guns and booze dont mix

+1

 

[Airpark]

Originally posted by truckermike:
I think what has been said is the best: If your carrying-no booze for you. We all learned a long time ago that guns and booze dont mix

Do not mean to steal or change the post. I would just add to that "Cars and Booze do not mix, either " I was d@amn near hit headon yesterday by a guy, he wound up upside down in the ditch, who was so drunk he could not stand up.

 

[in625shooter]

I was a police officer in Indiana. In Indiana it is "legal" to carry in a bar and "consume" alcohol. However "comma" if you happen to get in the middle of say a typical bar type activity you might have some explaining to do, even if you don't draw your piece. And we all know how some of those 22 year old police officers are more about arresting and writing tickets than common sense and judgement/discretion.

 

[Grayfox]

We in Tennessee have been trying for 15 years to get the "Carry in Restaurants" bill passed. Let's face it, almost all the good restaurants have a bar these days. Heck all we want is a good meal and some security while having it.
The opposition (mostly democrats) have always refered to it as "guns in bars" and painted the gloom and doom picture. Or biggest obstacle all these years was former House Speaker Jimmy Naifeh. A real piece of work he was. Rabid anti-gunner who was always very careful to never vote for or against any gun bill so as not to have any anti legislation attached to his name. The jerk atcually has a good NRA rating. Instead he used his position as Speaker to make sure no pro-gun bills ever got out of commitee. He has on several occassions blatantly broken both House rules and the law to kill pro-gun bills. With his position of power he got away with it too.
Well, he's finally gone and Tennessee is making up for lost time with a number of pro-gun bills working through the legislature.
Another big problem with carry in restaurants came from local Restaurant Associations. There is no law in Tennessee which differentiates between exactly what is a restaurant and what is a bar. Either can sell both food and alcohol. The common difference is how much of which. Therein lies the rub. In order to seperate alcohol from food sales would require an overhaul of most restaurant's book keeping and seperate sets of books for each. An expense and bother they did not want to incur.
There was an amendment to exclude "age restricted" establishments. But again exactly what that was is a very gray area in the law. This was finally dropped.
What we finally ended up with is just plain simple. You can carry anywhere alcohol is served provided that you do NOT drink alcohol and the establishment itself does not post the place as "no firearms allowed".
We think most Tennesseans are smart enough to figure that out. The ones that aren't will learn a very hard and well deserved lesson.

 

[Shorty4T]

Very informative post Grayfox, thanks for the info. It is great to hear that TN is making progress with 2A legislature. It's also good to hear about the law of reciprocity states. We her in GA are making slow process on many of the grey areas of the GA code.

Best of luck you you guys to the north!

Originally posted by Grayfox:
We think most Tennesseans are smart enough to figure that out. The ones that aren't will learn a very hard and well deserved lesson.

We have the same problem here in GA, untimately Darwin will sort this out. Unfortunately as has been stated sometimes inocent bystanders also suffer.

Cheers,
Sam

 

[Pasifikawv]

I'm for allowing carry in restaurants which serve alcohol. I'm not for people carrying while drinking.

+1

Hit the nail on the head

 

[MTKTM]

I'd be all in favor of allowing CCW in bars/restaurants, but going onto say that no drinking while carrying, zip, zero, zilch, nada, nichts, bupkis. In fact, it might not be bad to have such a restriction on all concealed carry outside of one's own home IMHO. Alcohol is just too much of a disinhibitor to make it safe to drink and exercise caution and good judgment for most people.

Flame away.

 

[photoman]

Originally posted by flop-shank:
Those jackasses will never let the truth get in the way of their marxist agenda.

You got that right!

 

[bubbiesdad]

Originally posted by MTKTM:
I'd be all in favor of allowing CCW in bars/restaurants, but going onto say that no drinking while carrying, zip, zero, zilch, nada, nichts, bupkis. In fact, it might not be bad to have such a restriction on all concealed carry outside of one's own home IMHO. Alcohol is just too much of a disinhibitor to make it safe to drink and exercise caution and good judgment for most people.

Flame away.

That is TN's law, there is already no carrying while under the influence, and no drinking in restaurant/bars under the peroposed law.

 

[Pisgah]

Originally posted by in625shooter:
I was a police officer in Indiana. In Indiana it is "legal" to carry in a bar and "consume" alcohol. However "comma" if you happen to get in the middle of say a typical bar type activity you might have some explaining to do, even if you don't draw your piece. And we all know how some of those 22 year old police officers are more about arresting and writing tickets than common sense and judgement/discretion.

In the one local dive around here where I willoccasionally quaff a brew, there are usually at any given time maybe 6 customers -- and at least three of them will be local cops. It's illegal to carry in establishments where alcohol is served, and I'll guarantee these patrons are, to a man, breaking the law...

 

[yes]

I am not sure about what issuing agencies do statewide, but here Sacramento County, CA your license restricts you from carrying "while remaining in an establishment that primarily serves alcohol." Now exactly what that means beyond common sense "don't carry while hanging in a bar," is up for interpretation. I just don't carry when in a place that does not have a full service restaurant but serves alcohol. Since I have never had a drink in my life, I RARELY find myself in such a place and NEVER "remaining" there!

 

[Bobwtn]

As a TN resident, I look forward to the passage of this law. I don't worry about going inside for a nice meal, it is the leaving part, going to the car. The parking lot in my city is where the problems are. I eat in places that have drinks or beer available, but I never drink at those places. I don't want a DUI or any other mess. I have a beer or wine at home usually, that is about it. Had a couple of cold ones at dark last night after a hot evening of mowing. We permit holders and cops in TN know none of us are ok to drink and be carrying. Here, it has been cops getting trouble, often over a woman or showing off for one.