LVSteve
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The key is the part I have bolded in Sig's statement.
I don't know exactly what that refers to, either height, angle of drop (muzzle or butt first) or both.
From the Sig Forum....P320 fails drop testing..orders being cancelled
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The key is the part I have bolded in Sig's statement.
I don't know exactly what that refers to, either height, angle of drop (muzzle or butt first) or both.
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I think someone should go out and buy a 320 to test!
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It doesn't sound like anything.....
It doesn't sound like anything that can't be easily fixed.
It doesn't sound like anything that can't be easily fixed.
LVSteve
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...with a trigger safety that may not be grunt/dirt proof or a 9lb trigger?
Choose wisely.
Disabled1
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Glock is really upset that they lost that US ARMY contract. This conspiracy theory they have started about the SIG 320 and it being unsafe "ALMOST" worked. Too bad people can see through Glock just like they are a piece of glass.
Read paragraph 7.10.
https://www.nij.gov/Documents/gun-s...nge-test-methods-draft-for-public-comment.pdf
Looks to me that the videos met these requirements.
https://www.nij.gov/Documents/gun-s...nge-test-methods-draft-for-public-comment.pdf
Looks to me that the videos met these requirements.
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The conspiracy is so deep,they are shooting people... damn Glock
MHS Winner SIG Sauer SUED by Police Officer Shot by Dropped, Holstered P320 - The Firearm BlogThe Firearm Blog
Did the chemtrails tell you to post that?
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Who you gonna believe ??? The Sig fanboys in denial or your lying eyes ???????????
Honestly I own firearms from many different manufacturers over the years. It is up over 525 after getting my Dad's collection.
I have only had problems with a Taurus revolver , an American made Sig semi pistol, a marlin bolt action, and a Henry lever action rifle in 30+ years of buying and selling.
Only Henry and Marlin made things right in a satisfactory manner. Taurus customer service was horrible but they made it right after a painful experience.
Sig on the other hand not only treated me like an idiot, they LIED. The gun went back twice. They did nothing the first time so I decided to throw a small dab of nail polish on one of the parts they claimed to have replaced that I did not think they did. It came back with the same part. saying it was replaced a second time. When I called and confronted them about it I was treated like an idiot flat out called a liar by management and told to pound sand pretty much. I will NEVER do business with Sig again. I buy 2-5 firearms a year.
They lie. This exact incident further justifies my opinion. Friday they make a statement claiming that this drop fire failure is new to them and this is the first they have heard of it and that nobody in the US consumer market has had any issue.
Then yesterday we find out about the Stamford PD lawsuit and they knew at least 6 months ago when the department brought it to their attention, the convenient fact that the M17 already has the new trigger and they knew enough about these issues to already have a new trigger mechanism ready to go. Yet they state in yesterdays statement " they were not dropped in accordance with us safety standards" ... what does that even mean? There are videos of them going off falling on the hammer, falling on the mag well, and one guy got his to go off tapping it with a hammer while in his hand and not even dropping it.
So for at least 6 months these unsafe firearms have been sold to LE and joe consumer and at least one LEO had his career prematurely ended due to this safety issue.
I would happily buy old german models but I will never support the lying new regime that runs this company again. They lie, and they got caught with their pants down due to everyone performing unscientific drop tests.... well that what accidental drops are... unscientific. They just fall, and of course the Sig failed.
Sig can pound sand as far as I am concerned.
I have only had problems with a Taurus revolver , an American made Sig semi pistol, a marlin bolt action, and a Henry lever action rifle in 30+ years of buying and selling.
Only Henry and Marlin made things right in a satisfactory manner. Taurus customer service was horrible but they made it right after a painful experience.
Sig on the other hand not only treated me like an idiot, they LIED. The gun went back twice. They did nothing the first time so I decided to throw a small dab of nail polish on one of the parts they claimed to have replaced that I did not think they did. It came back with the same part. saying it was replaced a second time. When I called and confronted them about it I was treated like an idiot flat out called a liar by management and told to pound sand pretty much. I will NEVER do business with Sig again. I buy 2-5 firearms a year.
They lie. This exact incident further justifies my opinion. Friday they make a statement claiming that this drop fire failure is new to them and this is the first they have heard of it and that nobody in the US consumer market has had any issue.
Then yesterday we find out about the Stamford PD lawsuit and they knew at least 6 months ago when the department brought it to their attention, the convenient fact that the M17 already has the new trigger and they knew enough about these issues to already have a new trigger mechanism ready to go. Yet they state in yesterdays statement " they were not dropped in accordance with us safety standards" ... what does that even mean? There are videos of them going off falling on the hammer, falling on the mag well, and one guy got his to go off tapping it with a hammer while in his hand and not even dropping it.
So for at least 6 months these unsafe firearms have been sold to LE and joe consumer and at least one LEO had his career prematurely ended due to this safety issue.
I would happily buy old german models but I will never support the lying new regime that runs this company again. They lie, and they got caught with their pants down due to everyone performing unscientific drop tests.... well that what accidental drops are... unscientific. They just fall, and of course the Sig failed.
Sig can pound sand as far as I am concerned.
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jag312
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But, but, but.....it's on the Internet, it must be true.
Bonjour....
JamesArthur60
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According to the civil law suit papers, this has been known since 2008 with documented cases involving Sig pistols. The new model P320 is the latest. All are stated in the 12 page civil suit document. It's an interesting read and should shed some light on this alleged issue involving the P320 set up.
Case: 3:17-cv-01318-JCH filed in USDC of Connecticut on August 4, 2017.
Case: 3:17-cv-01318-JCH filed in USDC of Connecticut on August 4, 2017.
LVSteve
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Strikes me that most of the shootings as described in the "Allegations" section of that document were either "cause undetermined" or NDs by the person with the gun.
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When your done beating that dead horse could somebody light the grill. No sense in letting that meat go to waste.
Far from a dead horse when the "fix" and "cause" have not even been publicly identified yet. Just saying.
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I thought only the Iraqi army drop-tested their weapons.
I know they have a new tank with 4 speeds....one forward and three in reverse.
I know they have a new tank with 4 speeds....one forward and three in reverse.
LVSteve
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Oh, this horse is far from dead. This gets more interesting by the day.
Oh yes!Oh, this horse is far from dead. This gets more interesting by the day.
A lot of life left in this old horse. 
The fun is just getting started. Next step: Finding out what Sig's "voluntary upgrade" (wink, wink) solution is going to be and how it goes down with the shooting public. Did I hear right that there are half a million of these guns already out there?
Sounds like an awful lot for just one fairly new model gun. Can anyone confirm or correct the record?
Disabled1
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Glock is behind all of this BS! They just couldn't be happy with their current world status. Losing the military contract is what pushed them over the edge. They were trying to be the HITLER of firearms.
They are going to beat this horse into sub-atomic particles.
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The problem is this does not affect the military 320 as it has a thumb safety. The gun is just like the 1911 with the safety engaged, the sear is blocked.
This whole single action, feather trigger thing that the younger crowd crave without a safety has brought about this problem. Revolvers used to have 15# triggers out of the box, there was no way that trigger was moving if dropped.
IMO a Glock would be a much better weapon with a thumb safety. Still would be like holding a 2X4 though.
Well I'll be.
Looky at the Sig WebSite
What say all the experts now??
Must just be a "courtesy" on their part.
https://www.sigsauer.com/press-releases/sig-sauer-issues-voluntary-upgrade-p320-pistol/
Looky at the Sig WebSite
What say all the experts now??
Must just be a "courtesy" on their part.
https://www.sigsauer.com/press-releases/sig-sauer-issues-voluntary-upgrade-p320-pistol/
Thanks Steve.
Reading comp is not one of my strong suits, so I need help understanding what the writer is saying.
Is he saying Sig, in order to please some segment of the gun crowd decided to mimic a 1911 trigger on a striker fired gun?
Is that correct or am I misreading.....it happens.
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