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Folks, way back when I was a kid wearing the pictures off of the brochures (1960s), Remington and Winchester use to include a game-cartridge recommendation chart in their combination catalogs (guns and ammo). I have tried to Google recommendation charts, but with little success. Can anyone help me find one?

Thanks for your help!
 
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@ rwsmith,

Thank you! What you provided is putting me in the ball park. I realize that it was a way to promote ammo sales while guiding hunters, but I vaguely remember that these charts included recommendations of bullet style and weight. Trust me, I am not ungrateful for what you provided ... just trying to confirm that what I think I remember through the fog of a severe concussion is in fact reality!
 
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You're not grateful? Must have been a hard bump you suffered.
That chart is pretty general and I would question the Grizzly/ Black bear cutoff of the .444 and .45-70. I know the 45-70 in today's loading is potent Grizzly medicine.
 
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You're not grateful? Must have been a hard bump you suffered.
That chart is pretty general and I would question the Grizzly/ Black bear cutoff of the .444 and .45-70. I know the 45-70 in today's loading is potent Grizzly medicine.

Yes, it was a helluva bump! Thank you for spotting my error. Sometimes, what I want to say just doesn't come out as I want. It was one of those see it to believe it accidents, a Road King totalled a '97 Fleetwood.
 
Yes, it was a helluva bump! Thank you for spotting my error. Sometimes, what I want to say just doesn't come out as I want. It was one of those see it to believe it accidents, a Road King totalled a '97 Fleetwood.
Wow!, yes that would be considered a serious bump, indeed.
Glad you came away in one piece.
This may be moved to the ammo thread.
 
I remember the Winchester ammo catalog having a small silhouette for small, medium, large and dangerous game as well as target, This was in the 70's & 80's. I read there were recommended energy for animals like deer @ 1000 foot pounds of energy.

Ivan
 
Just get Jack O'Connor's, The Hunting Rifle, John Taylor's, African Rifles and Cartridges, and, Cartridges of the World, by Frank Barnes and successors, and you'll be pretty well fixed.

Basically, for deer through elk and moose, a .30-06 with suitable weight Nosler Partition bullets is quite adequate out to beyond the ranges at which most people should shoot at living animals. For varmints to smaller deer, a .243, 6 mm Remington, or .240 Weatherby will kill 'em dead.

The .270 Winchester shoots plenty flat for most antelope and other plains game and with 150 grain Noslers or similar bullets is okay for most larger game.

A .375 H&H Magnum is good for bear, or the .338 or .340 Weatherby is a big bear killer. Especially on polar bear, where low temps may lower velocity, the .340 shines.

If you have a .22, a .243, a .30-06, and a .375 H&H, you are well equipped.

The non-resident African hunter taking just one rifle should choose between the .375 or the .416 Rigby.
The .375 is more versatile; the .416 has more power for big stuff, mainly buffalo today. Elephant, yes. But rhino are now almost never legally hunted.

That said, I understand your wish for more data. Older editions of, The Gun Digest had ballistics tables.

If you're curious about a specific load, ask here, or ask the ammo maker.
 
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Black bear skips a few.....

You're not grateful? Must have been a hard bump you suffered.
That chart is pretty general and I would question the Grizzly/ Black bear cutoff of the .444 and .45-70. I know the 45-70 in today's loading is potent Grizzly medicine.

There are a few cartridges that are good for black bears, then some that aren't, then there are some that are good again.

What was cool were the poster board deals with the actually cartridges/bullets mounted that were displays in stores.
 
I remember those charts with the animal picture, with ballistics for the load and caliber recommendations. I headed out to my reloading bench cabinet to see if I had one of those old boxes I could photograph, no joy.

I guess I kind of agree with the Bass Pro chart. I might have stretched the chart for a certain game here or there but over all if some one picked a cartridge recommended on the chart most people would be do okay.

For years I've used this process for selected a cartridge. Bullet selection also goes into this but lets assume you can find a bullet that will do the job in whatever cartridge you select.

I look at:

1)energy needed to do the job

2)the ranges that may be encounter in the terrain I'm hunting

3)what is the extreme range I would be comfortable taking a shot

4)trajectory and wind bucking ability if those range are long (with range finders and todays scopes a super flat shooting trajectory might not be the deal it once was but handling wind still is for me. If range is long flat reduces margin of error when estimating range)

5)which calibers meet those criteria

then I move to

5) recoil...I'm not recoil sensitive but why get beat up when you don't need too.
6) How easy is my choice to find.

A while ago I watched a video on cartridge selection. It is kind of tedious and repetitive but the approach is solid. His chart is kind of at extreme ranges but the approach can be modified for the task and range likely to be encountered. Again overly long but still not a bad approach.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtlwoNCNnFA[/ame]
 
Thank you to all that have contributed.

Before my accident, I had always wanted a Winchester Model 70, and I came across a NIB 270 Winchester that I jumped at. It has yet to be fired, but I want to get my act together and build up an elk load. If finances and the Good Lord allow me, I want to get a hunt in before the close of 2020. It will give me time to work on improvised shooting positions to accommodate my injuries.
 
Thank you to all that have contributed.

Before my accident, I had always wanted a Winchester Model 70, and I came across a NIB 270 Winchester that I jumped at. It has yet to be fired, but I want to get my act together and build up an elk load. If finances and the Good Lord allow me, I want to get a hunt in before the close of 2020. It will give me time to work on improvised shooting positions to accommodate my injuries.

I think the Model 70 in .270 is an excellent rifle. Mine is a Classic Fwt,., which I love.

Jack O'Connor publicized the M-70 and that ctg. for over 50 years.

Not knowing the extent of your handicap, we can't say if you should hunt. Will you have relatives or caring friends to recover and process the game?

Why 2020? Will you be in therapy until then? Doesn't sound good for a prospective hunter.

Except for sitting in a chair waiting to shoot doves, hunting is a pretty physical sport.
 
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Also remember that barrel harmonics contribute to the accuracy/inaccuracy of any particular bullet weight and powder charge. A slender barrel ofttimes will not produce consistent accuracy with heavier bullets, in my experience.

For example, I have a beautiful 200th Anniversary Ruger M77 in .270, bought new in 1976, that I free-floated and bedded. For whitetail I had always used factory 150 gr. PSP ammuntion in other bolt rifles, and they have always performed at -1" MOA at 100 yds. for me. The Bicentennial Ruger just HATED the 150s! The problem was corrected by dropping bullet weight to 135 gr. PSP by the same manufacturer. Consistent -1'' groups and plenty of power to take down any deer with good shot placement. I have taken down a fair number of Bambis at 400-500 yds. in my younger days, a few offhand, even, but nowadays my eyesight isn't quite as sharp and I'm not as steady as I used to be. A good rest position is now a must for those longer shots.

I hope your recovery goes well and comes quickly. I can sympathize, believe me, as I'm still paying the price for a motorcycle crash back in '75. A '69 Buick Electra 225 will ALWAYS win in a contest with a Yamaha 500! :eek:
 
Just get Jack O'Connor's, The Hunting Rifle, John Taylor's, African Rifles and Cartridges, and, Cartridges of the World, by Frank Barnes and successors, and you'll be pretty well fixed.

Basically, for deer through elk and moose, a .30-06 with suitable weight Nosler Partition bullets is quite adequate out to beyond the ranges at which most people should shoot at living animals. For varmints to smaller deer, a .243, 6 mm Remington, or .240 Weatherby will kill 'em dead.

The .270 Winchester shoots plenty flat for most antelope and other plains game and with 150 grain Noslers or similar bullets is okay for most larger game.

A .375 H&H Magnum is good for bear, or the .338 or .340 Weatherby is a big bear killer. Especially on polar bear, where low temps may lower velocity, the .340 shines.

If you have a .22, a .243, a .30-06, and a .375 H&H, you are well equipped.

The non-resident African hunter taking just one rifle should choose between the .375 or the .416 Rigby.
The .375 is more versatile; the .416 has more power for big stuff, mainly buffalo today. Elephant, yes. But rhino are now almost never legally hunted.

That said, I understand your wish for more data. Older editions of, The Gun Digest had ballistics tables.

If you're curious about a specific load, ask here, or ask the ammo maker.

I have all 3 books. All worthwhile reads.

When I read something from their Era I am awestruck at how much change the earth has incurred in my lifetime.
 
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