Get ready for the future

[DWalt]

I have already posted this in the ammo area of the forum

Appears that Beretta and True Velocity are joining up to civilianize the NGSW and 6.8mm TVC plastic case ammo. This is the article:
[SHOT 2022] Beretta & True Velocity Confirm Partnership & Announce Civilian RM277 -The Firearm Blog

 

[Rudi]

I saw some plastic case ammo at the store last week. WIERD looking.

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

In the 80's there was plastic ammo for 223's:

PCA-spectrum by NATEC, Inc.
Plattsburgh, N.Y.

Neck, shoulder, and body was a cream colored plastic the rim was metal.

I bought a two 20 round boxes, never intending to fire it. The next day while in the same store, they said I should return it. The head would separate from the body.

Ivan

 

[LVSteve]

Am I the only one that is baffled that the specs imply it takes 65k PSI to move a 135 gr bullet at 3000 fps? Are these rounds running quite a bit less than 65 k PSI?

 

[BC38]

I have already posted this in the ammo area of the forum

Appears that Beretta and True Velocity are joining up to civilianize the NGSW and 6.8mm TVC plastic case ammo. This is the article:
[SHOT 2022] Beretta & True Velocity Confirm Partnership & Announce Civilian RM277 -The Firearm Blog

What kind of plastic is it?
All the references in the article called the case material composite - which usually refers to some kind of ceramic rather than plastic.

 

[DWalt]

I don't know anything about the makeup of the case. Composite simply means that is composed of several materials, such as plastic containing some reinforcing or filler material - an example would be fiberglass, which is a composite of plastic (such as polyester or epoxy) and glass fibers for strength and durability.

 

[DWalt]

Am I the only one that is baffled that the specs imply it takes 65k PSI to move a 135 gr bullet at 3000 fps? Are these rounds running quite a bit less than 65 k PSI?

Part of the idea of the NGSW system is to achieve great kinetic energy from a short barreled weapon, which means developing a high muzzle velocity. I understand the military wants a MV of around 3000 ft/sec from a bullet much heavier than currently used by the 5.56 NATO. About the only way to achieve that is by developing a very high pressure round. In fact it might be necessary to develop a completely new propellant to do it from a relatively small volume case. Not sure what the consequences might be regarding barrel life.

 

[LVSteve]

Part of the idea of the NGSW system is to achieve great kinetic energy from a short barreled weapon, which means developing a high muzzle velocity. I understand the military wants a MV of around 3000 ft/sec from a bullet much heavier than currently used by the 5.56 NATO. About the only way to achieve that is by developing a very high pressure round. In fact it might be necessary to develop a completely new propellant to do it from a relatively small volume case. Not sure what the consequences might be regarding barrel life.

Aha! So they want to guarantee 3000 fps from a 10-14" barrel instead of a proper size gun. Gotcha.

See, this is where bullpups work. You can have a very short weapon with a 16" or more tube. The lefty/righty thing can be fixed, the Croatians have recently proved this. See the Springfield Hellion review on Forgotten Weapons. No whining about they are ugly or parade evolutions, please. These are superfluous topics when the purpose of the tool is putting holes in bad guys.

 

[reddog81]

Interesting for military applications but I can't imagine there are many civilians who'd see any benefit from the weight reduction. I don't know anyone carrying around a rifle and half a dozen or more magazines or being concerned about moving around pallets of ammo.

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

Interesting for military applications but I can't imagine there are many civilians who'd see any benefit from the weight reduction. I don't know anyone carrying around a rifle and half a dozen or more magazines or being concerned about moving around pallets of ammo.

True. The world has kinda been there done that before. Several times. For us civilians you can't reload it. So it's a moot point. I put it in the "Who cares" catagory.

 

[H Richard]

I'm thinking it may be an economic reason. Brass costs are much higher than various plastic components. Resulting in a round they can market at a much lower cost than the competitors and increase market share.

 

[6string]

Regardless if one's thoughts or feelings on the topic of this "new" ammo, there has been many attempts along these lines in the past.
Off the top of my head, there's the Voere caseless ammo (pretty good performer, actually), Daisy's VL caseless ammo, and, of course, the old Volcanic pistol.
Maybe it will catch on one day, or not?

It's worth looking up the Voere caseless cartridge and rifle, if the topic is of interest.
The laser ignition is especially interesting.
Here is Voere's description and history of the venture.

VOERE | Laser Ignition