"Ghost Guns"

[Rivoak]

Did anybody bit me watch NBC news last night and their story on "Ghost Guns." In order to make 80% build kits look big and scary they labeled them "ghost guns" because they aren't serialized and then went on to say anybody can buy them, anybody can sell them, and even inferred criminals could get them easily.

In the process of making them look like a big problem, they didn't bother even mentioning that buying or selling a completed 80% kit is illegal, and that criminals frequently obliterate serial numbers on factory guns.

With all the omissions I presume they intentionally made to prove a point, the bottom line is I thought the story was garbage.

I don't mind people discussing gun facts, good or bad, but the story was a hack job.


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[Hillbilly77]

watch NBC news

That was your first mistake.

 

[ParadiseRoad]

...things aren't going too well for the antis right now...so if they can "backdoor" something obscure...they will consider it a victory...

 

[THE PILGRIM]

Thanks for the info!
I need help keeping up with NBC and others.
No way will I actually watch them.

 

[Doug627]

That must be related to the "ghost truth" of the media's other alleged news stories.

 

[Maddog 521]

More of their "fake news" I guess.

 

[LVSteve]

If I had to give a nickel for NBC's gun knowledge, I'd demand change.

 

[Arik]

I'm more concerned about the dangerous 30 cal magazine clips that shoot 30 rounds in half a second

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[Rustyt1953]

I'm more concerned about the dangerous 30 cal magazine clips that shoot 30 rounds in half a second

You nailed it:


[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iJmFEv6BHM0[/ame]

 

[BC38]

De Leon? You mean De-LYIN?

 

[billwill]

I was very disappointed that Chuck didn't cry. Crying would have been much more engaging.
Sniff sniff.

Just when you though that real understanding and common sense was going to prevail. I was expecting "ghost guns" would come in winter white.

 

[2152hq]

I saw that story on NBC. The 'Rossen Report' segment or some such named investigative styled bit.

They have one of the 'kits' sent to a retired ATF agent who picks up the box on his front porch with a slight sigh to his voice "I guess my gun is here" or some such refrain. Then they say with simply 2 hours time he assembles the parts in to a fully operating semi-auto A/R.
No mention of the home workshop they are standing in contains a 40" metal lathe, a Bridgeport style mill, floor mounted drill press, several workbenches, belt grinder and a mass of other hand and power tools.
I guess it just falls together like a tinkertoy.
If it does,,then who's fault is that??,,the NRA and 2A defenders,,or the law makers and BATF that set the rules in the first place.
That the frame isn't a firearm till completed (ATF & IRS (exise tax) rule), that a non-licensee can mfg a firearm for their own use (ATF rule).
If someone is vio;lating those rules,,then go out and arrest them. It;s called enforcement of existing firearms laws on the books.

Then off to the local range where the retired agent puts a few rounds through his home built beauty and the reporter (Mr Rossen I assume) is startled! and at one point says "..those are real bullets!!??",,Mr Retired Agent and Gun Assembler Emeritus answers with a little affirmative nod and says "yes,,real bullets".

The NRA had no comment they said,,but Sir Chucky of Shummerland never to let a free camera lens go unused was right there to add his outrage to the availability of the GhostGun.
Congress will investigate!

Watch these people,,they haven't gone away.

 

[OLDNAVYMCPO]

The bit about the 30 cal magazine clips reminded me of a related incident that happened the other evening. We had guests over to the house for a little get together. These people are professionals who were friends with my wife before I entered the picture. They are non gun people but have an interest in learning to shoot, in fact two had taken the classroom portion of the concealed carry class. Anyway one of the female bank executives wanted to see my reloading room and to ask questions about making bullets as she called it .

My safe was open and she saw my AR. She was agasped and said, "isn't that illegal". I informed her that it was not. Next she wanted me to show her one of those evil magazine things that kill people. I showed her a Magpul 30 round magazine. She asked,"can you kill somebody with this". I said that I suppose you could if you could get them to swallow it whole.

Anyway, with all she had heard on the News???, she thought the magazine was the "killing" part of the gun. Her husband stood silently by the whole time, I don't think he was any more knowledgeable.

 

[JSR III]

I have to say that even my favorite Boston news caster, Lisa Hughes, (absolutely gorgeous) made a firearm faux pas the other night.

They were explaining a gun related news story that involved a local MIT student. Apparently he had a rifle and ammunition in his dorm room and that is against University policy.

In her explanation, Lisa commented that the student had guns and also large capacity ammunition.

I GOOGLED the story and apparently Lisa was not the only media outlet to make the same claim.

"According to Ryan’s office, MIT police officers searched De La Cruz’s room on the evening of Jan. 6 and seized “a rifle, a pistol as well as illegal large-capacity ammunition that the defendant was not licensed to carry or possess,” the statement said."

 

[Onomea]

I am still stressed out about the kindergarten kid who manufactured a dangerous — and extremely scary! – handgun by wickedly (albeit creatively) biting his graham cracker...

 

[Rustyt1953]

 

[pharmer]

..... Then they say with simply 2 hours time he assembles the parts in to a fully operating semi-auto A/R.

Bet they didn't show more than a flash about this part of the process. Joe

 

[codenamedave]

Yeppers, the usual half-truth filled breathless scandal reporting on The Gun Menace.

They should've mentioned that Mr. Agent Man was the legal manufacturer of the rifle. They did show him drilling the lower out with handheld drill. Wonder what they did with it? Was it legally disposed off? Did Mr. Man keep it?

BTW it is legal to sell a home-made firearm, you just have to engrave it IAW ATF regs before you do. State laws also apply, of course.

AFAIK, de Leon is the one who either coined, or at least brought to the masses, the the term "ghost gun". And yeah he's an idiot, but hey he's a loyal Democrat Machine idiot, so he's set for life in this one-party state.

 

[fordson]

It's these faux news stories that help form the opinion of non-gun knowledgeable people. Then these people vote on local and national gun issues using the opinions they formed from these half-truth faux news stories. Enough of them vote, and we get "common sense gun laws". Simple.

 

[rwsmith]

They've done this before.......

.....and we have ridiculed this before. How many legitimate gun owner care anything about 'ghost guns' beyond making an AR 15 yourself. It's a hobby and a sport that they make sound like a crime.

 

[Beemerguy53]

...My safe was open and she saw my AR. She was agasped and said, "isn't that illegal". I informed her that it was not. Next she wanted me to show her one of those evil magazine things that kill people. I showed her a Magpul 30 round magazine. She asked,"can you kill somebody with this". I said that I suppose you could if you could get them to swallow it whole.

Anyway, with all she had heard on the News???, she thought the magazine was the "killing" part of the gun. Her husband stood silently by the whole time, I don't think he was any more knowledgeable.

I am always astounded by how little the hoplophobes (thank you, Col. Cooper) actually know about firearms. You would think that if someone feels strongly enough about an object that he wants it banned, he would at least know how it operates, what it does, etc.

Very strange...

 

[Tyrod]

For those of you old enough to remember "Saturday night special".

 

[rwsmith]

I still hear....

For those of you old enough to remember "Saturday night special".

I still hear that term used, even though I think modern manufacturing methods have increased the quality of guns like Hi Points somewhat, they are still 'throw away' guns. Also, there is such a market for stolen guns out there now, it's of little use to get your name attached to a legitimately purchased guns. a lot of crooks don't like the cheap stuff. Don't ask me how I know because it's a sad story.

 

[Beemerguy53]

I still hear that term used, even though I think modern manufacturing methods have increased the quality of guns like Hi Points somewhat, they are still 'throw away' guns. Also, there is such a market for stolen guns out there now, it's of little use to get your name attached to a legitimately purchased guns. a lot of crooks don't like the cheap stuff. Don't ask me how I know because it's a sad story.

Several decades ago, Maryland banned "Saturday Night Specials", which were, according to the antis, cheap, unreliable, inaccurate, usually small-caliber handguns. At the time, many of us pointed out that it was not a bad thing for criminals to be armed with unreliable, inaccurate, small-caliber handguns...but what did we know?

Today, Baltimore drug dealers are capping each other with Glocks and Sigs...

 

[old bear]

Anyway, with all she had heard on the News???, she thought the magazine was the "killing" part of the gun. Her husband stood silently by the whole time, I don't think he was any more knowledgeable.
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It is SAD that so many educated and smart people, really know or understand so little about the world outside of their area of their expertise, and are willing to believe the first source of information that comes along. At least these two were willing to do some investigation on their own.

 

[amazingflapjack]

pretty much just Fox News now-I'm allergic to BS.

 

[Fred_G]

I would like to see some common sense public safety laws that reduced the ability for out lawmakers to spew out high capacity BS.

 

[jag312]

I hope this is not construed as a political statement. These California politicians who babble about ghost guns etc, are known for being less than intelligent, and their constituents who repeatedly vote them into office are even dumber. I apologize if this is considered a political statement, and please delete if this offends anyone.

 

[PALADIN85020]

My wife and I saw the spot yesterday. She was outraged that such a thing was possible.

I pointed out to her that individuals making their own guns without serial numbers is completely legal, even if the "making" involves buying parts and finishing an unfinished receiver. "Zip guns" are also easily made, if somewhat inelegant.

I also told her that "untraceable" guns can be "made" through theft, and that the serial number will then point the finger at a probably completely innocent person.

Of course, there's always the "serial filed off" variety, which sometimes can be foiled by modern forensic techniques to restore the number, or to find other serial numbers on the gun in obscure places.

It's not a perfect world, and never will be in the case of the hoplophobes.

John

 

[JSR III]

Along the same lines, someone just sent me a video of a what I believe to be a Congressional hearing about the military requesting a base on Guam. The inquiring Congress person discussed how big Guam was from stem to stern and then questioned how many people this would add to the current population. He further explained that his concern was that with all of the 25,000 or so added military folks and their families that the island might capsize.

He later explained that he was joking. Really???????

These folks make our laws.......