Glock 22, G2
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JaPes
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I could be wrong, but the Glock 22 Gen2's were of the "kaboom" era. Since then, Glock has progressively increased chamber support to remedy the issue.
shouldazagged
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I owned one that I liked very well. Absolutely reliable, and I found it to be softer-shooting than the S&W 411 I sold to buy it. Had to sell it due to financial emergency, and wish I hadn't.
I liked the plain straight grip.
I liked the plain straight grip.
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litenlarry
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I have a LE owned G22, gen 2, dead night sights..Great shooters and many prefer the straight grip , no finger grooves..
$350 would be on the high end by a few bucks..
$350 would be on the high end by a few bucks..
Arc Angel
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While, on occasion, I do enjoy living dangerously, buying secondhand or police, 'trade-in' Glocks is not something that I'd be inclined to do. Why? Because, over the years, I've worked on too many screwy, 'Glock problems'; and I simply know better than to play around with anybody else's used Glock.
With Glock, you never know what you've got until AFTER you get it home, clean it up, and take it to the range. It might work well; but, then again, it may not; AND high quality Smith & Wesson type Customer Service Glock GmbH/Inc. DOES NOT HAVE!
Mind ya, now! I'm not saying that I'd never buy a used Glock; but I'd have to take a real good look at it first, (I know what to look for!) and put a good 100-150 rounds through it BEFORE I decided to buy.
(Then there's also the issue of Glock's many so-called, 'parts upgrades'. With older Glock pistols it's not uncommon to find the same model pistols with different parts in them. 'Factory Refurbished' might mean something with a used SIG pistol; but, with a Glock it's little more than a bad joke.)
With Glock, you never know what you've got until AFTER you get it home, clean it up, and take it to the range. It might work well; but, then again, it may not; AND high quality Smith & Wesson type Customer Service Glock GmbH/Inc. DOES NOT HAVE!
Mind ya, now! I'm not saying that I'd never buy a used Glock; but I'd have to take a real good look at it first, (I know what to look for!) and put a good 100-150 rounds through it BEFORE I decided to buy.
(Then there's also the issue of Glock's many so-called, 'parts upgrades'. With older Glock pistols it's not uncommon to find the same model pistols with different parts in them. 'Factory Refurbished' might mean something with a used SIG pistol; but, with a Glock it's little more than a bad joke.)
ColbyBruce
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While, on occasion, I do enjoy living dangerously, buying secondhand or police, 'trade-in' Glocks is not something that I'd be inclined to do. Why? Because, over the years, I've worked on too many screwy, 'Glock problems'; and I simply know better than to play around with anybody else's used Glock.
With Glock, you never know what you've got until AFTER you get it home, clean it up, and take it to the range. It might work well; but, then again, it may not; AND high quality Smith & Wesson type Customer Service Glock GmbH/Inc. DOES NOT HAVE!
Mind ya, now! I'm not saying that I'd never buy a used Glock; but I'd have to take a real good look at it first, (I know what to look for!) and put a good 100-150 rounds through it BEFORE I decided to buy.
(Then there's also the issue of Glock's many so-called, 'parts upgrades'. With older Glock pistols it's not uncommon to find the same model pistols with different parts in them. 'Factory Refurbished' might mean something with a used SIG pistol; but, with a Glock it's little more than a bad joke.)
This is simply not true. I live near Glock, Inc. in Smyrna, GA and have taken several Glocks back to the factory for night sights, magazine rebuilds/replacements, and service. I had a gen. 2 Glock 17 that had 29 parts, including the frame, replaced free of charge. The only thing I have ever paid for was night sights. The service techs at Glock, Inc. are first rate. Everyone is kind, polite, professional.
Walk in/walk out service right at the front door, what other manufacturer does this for their customers?
JaPes
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Arc Angel,
I agree with about civilian owned used Glock pistols. They can be a mixed bag. Glock still has advantages when buying used civilian owned Glock pistols. Glock pistol has 34 total parts. Factory OEM parts are dirt cheap. When buying a used civilian owned Glock, detail strip it to identify the non standard parts. Buy the parts and refurb the pistol yourself. When buying a used police department trade in from a reputable dealer, the pistols have been refurbished by Glock. To satisfy my own OCD, I will still detail strip a pistol to identify and inspect parts.
The issue I bring up is that the earlier generations of Glock pistols chambered for .40 S&W lack chamber support. There are numerous reported incidences of catastrophic failure of the firearm (kaboom) from case ruptures. Glock has addressed the issue over the years. I own a Glock Gen4 chambered for .40 S&W, and it is good to go.
Having the proper background knowledge goes a long way in buying any used pistol. What's the value of the pistol? What's the sales price? What's the cost of bringing it back to factory condition?
I call shenanigans. That's all I have to say about these two statements.
I agree with about civilian owned used Glock pistols. They can be a mixed bag. Glock still has advantages when buying used civilian owned Glock pistols. Glock pistol has 34 total parts. Factory OEM parts are dirt cheap. When buying a used civilian owned Glock, detail strip it to identify the non standard parts. Buy the parts and refurb the pistol yourself. When buying a used police department trade in from a reputable dealer, the pistols have been refurbished by Glock. To satisfy my own OCD, I will still detail strip a pistol to identify and inspect parts.
The issue I bring up is that the earlier generations of Glock pistols chambered for .40 S&W lack chamber support. There are numerous reported incidences of catastrophic failure of the firearm (kaboom) from case ruptures. Glock has addressed the issue over the years. I own a Glock Gen4 chambered for .40 S&W, and it is good to go.
Having the proper background knowledge goes a long way in buying any used pistol. What's the value of the pistol? What's the sales price? What's the cost of bringing it back to factory condition?
With Glock, you never know what you've got until AFTER you get it home, clean it up, and take it to the range. It might work well; but, then again, it may not; AND high quality Smith & Wesson type Customer Service Glock GmbH/Inc. DOES NOT HAVE!
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'Factory Refurbished' might mean something with a used SIG pistol; but, with a Glock it's little more than a bad joke.)
I call shenanigans. That's all I have to say about these two statements.
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JaPes
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Most of the major manufacturers do.
ColbyBruce
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I am a bit over 1,000 miles away from S&W in Springfield, Mass. but have been treated very rudely over the phone by three of their employees. The most recent, which was several years ago, was a woman named Kay or Kate Fredette. She called me a liar when I requested six replacement magazines for my three Walther P22 pistols. I wound up speaking to another service rep and faxing a copy of my sales receipt from Vance's in Ohio to prove I had three pistols. That man did send me the replacement magazines.
On the other hand, I returned a S&W 63 that had been thrown from a moving car to the factory in 2010. The service techs repaired the damage and even removed the gouges and scratches from the gun. It works and shoots just fine now. I guess it depends on who you deal with.
Arc Angel
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Oh! Maybe that's what I've been doing wrong. I've had to deal with Glock personnel via the telephone and from out-of-state. If I take the above remarks at face value then all I've got to do is move to Georgia, and all of my Glock service problems will disappear - Who'd a thunk! 
Come on, guy, I've dealt with Glock CS for more than 12 years. I know exactly what these people do for a living. Neither can I say that I've ever liked any of it. I've also dealt with Smith & Wesson, and Sturm-Ruger for up to 3 times longer than I have with Glock; and I've got nothing but good to say about both companies.
Another thing: By the estimation of anyone who's ever personally dealt with me, I know both guns and shooting very very well. (I should; I've been at it for more than 60 years.)
THE ONLY FIREARM MANUFACTURER'S CUSTOMER SERVICE PERSONNEL WHO HAVE EVER REPEATEDLY LIED TO ME ABOUT THEIR PRODUCT(S) WORKED FOR GLOCK TECHNICAL SUPPORT IN SMYRNA.
One time I even got the famous, 'Fred', himself, on the phone. Know what he said to me? I quote verbatim, 'That's all we're going to do for you; so live with it!'
So you're close to the factory, and you've had some really good face-to-face encounters with Glock Customer Service - That's great! All I can say is I hope your luck holds.
As for, 'earlier G-22's and G-23's? There have been a lot more problems with them than simply unsupported chamber mouths. I've seen dozens of G-22/23's with large peening marks on the underside of their slides that - before Glock's (as usual very quiet) lock block redesign - shouldn't have been there.
40 caliber is a, 'rough caliber' for Glock's unreinforced polymer frames to handle; and, it's only within the past 6 months that Glock, GmbH/Inc. has finally admitted that they, very deliberately, remove case support from the bottom of their 40 caliber chamber mouths and ramps in order to create, 'a safety channel' for exploding cartridge gas to evacuate thorough the magazine well, and thus (hopefully) avoid blowing back into the shooter's face.
Neither have any of my opinions been formed by only one or two service experiences with any of the aforementioned pistol manufacturers. Over a period of YEARS I've had multiple service encounters with all of them; and I'm pretty sure that I know, 'who is who'.
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Arik
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While, on occasion, I do enjoy living dangerously, buying secondhand or police, 'trade-in' Glocks is not something that I'd be inclined to do. Why? Because, over the years, I've worked on too many screwy, 'Glock problems'; and I simply know better than to play around with anybody else's used Glock.
With Glock, you never know what you've got until AFTER you get it home, clean it up, and take it to the range. It might work well; but, then again, it may not; AND high quality Smith & Wesson type Customer Service Glock GmbH/Inc. DOES NOT HAVE!
Mind ya, now! I'm not saying that I'd never buy a used Glock; but I'd have to take a real good look at it first, (I know what to look for!) and put a good 100-150 rounds through it BEFORE I decided to buy.
(Then there's also the issue of Glock's many so-called, 'parts upgrades'. With older Glock pistols it's not uncommon to find the same model pistols with different parts in them. 'Factory Refurbished' might mean something with a used SIG pistol; but, with a Glock it's little more than a bad joke.)
The what? First off as an used gun you don't know who did what till you get it home, especially used 1911s. People love to tinker with those and most shouldn't.
Police guns, be if Sigs, HK, Glocks, S&W are not always factory refinished and more often then not have little to no actual internal wear. They are not shot all that much. I buy all my police trades from one of the largest LE sales and purchases businesses. Phoenix Distributers. They buy and sell to and from PD all over the country. They buy directly from the departments so there are no refurbishment models unless it was done by the department prior.
Civilians tend to start tearing into their guns, not cops. I don't know of too many departments that allow their cops to tinker with their duty sidearm. Now it's possible that the gun was a police gun purchased by a civilian and later traded in.
My carry gun is a Glock 19 and I've had it for 6 years or so. Came from Florida PD. All my Glocks, in fact most of my guns, are police guns and not one has had a problem. My only none police Glock is a 21 45acp which I bought used. When I sent to to the factory for new parts Glock called me and said they'll just send me a brand new one. I had a used G21 and they sent me a new one with new night sights and extra mags no questions asked. Took 2 weeks. Definitely poor customer service!
ColbyBruce
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I have a totally different attitude and outlook than you appear to have. These two factors, and geographic location, are probably the reasons we have had totally different experiences with Glock, Inc.
Faulkner
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Advice for future reference . . . more often than not when you ask a Glock question on a non-Glock forum it turns into a Glock bashing thread. The Glock experts don't hang out here.
litenlarry
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I am certainly no expert..I own 3 Glocks, 4 S&W revolvers and 2 S&W semi auto pistol's..I also own Rugers and KelTec's along with NAA Mini's..A couple of WWII era P-38's..
So I guess I would be somewhat widely versed in the above mentioned pistols..
Back to the OP..I bought my G22 from an officer who had purchased his carry weapon when the dept upgraded..He was issued the G22 when it was new in box, so he new the pistol inside and out..It had been regularly seerviced by a certified Glock Armorer..I know the officer and trust him not selling me a "bag of worms"..Since buying the G22, i have put maybe 300 plus rds downrange..Nary an issue..
Buying a used one from a LGS, I would definitely be cautious..
So I guess I would be somewhat widely versed in the above mentioned pistols..
Back to the OP..I bought my G22 from an officer who had purchased his carry weapon when the dept upgraded..He was issued the G22 when it was new in box, so he new the pistol inside and out..It had been regularly seerviced by a certified Glock Armorer..I know the officer and trust him not selling me a "bag of worms"..Since buying the G22, i have put maybe 300 plus rds downrange..Nary an issue..
Buying a used one from a LGS, I would definitely be cautious..
ColbyBruce
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I did have one
To answer the OPs question, I owned a gen. 2 Glock 22 that had been issued to an investigator for the DA of a neighboring county. I took it to Glock, Inc. for service and steel sights ($20.00) and carried it hiking. It was full of aftermarket parts so the service techs gutted it and replaced everything with factory parts. It was a bit large, I didn't care for the .40 S&W cartridge so I sold it and bought a gen. 2 Glock 19. I put about 500 rounds through it with no problems. I do, however, like the size of the Glock 19/23/32 better than the FS Glocks.
Personally, I would not put $350.00 into a used Glock when they can be bought new for not much more money.
To answer the OPs question, I owned a gen. 2 Glock 22 that had been issued to an investigator for the DA of a neighboring county. I took it to Glock, Inc. for service and steel sights ($20.00) and carried it hiking. It was full of aftermarket parts so the service techs gutted it and replaced everything with factory parts. It was a bit large, I didn't care for the .40 S&W cartridge so I sold it and bought a gen. 2 Glock 19. I put about 500 rounds through it with no problems. I do, however, like the size of the Glock 19/23/32 better than the FS Glocks.
Personally, I would not put $350.00 into a used Glock when they can be bought new for not much more money.
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BearBio
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I recently bought my first Glock. I have been carrying a S & W Bodyguard (a REAL bodyguard-649) in pocket carry mode. My "Official" carry was a Colt Commander in 38 Super but putting a holster on and off was a drag.
My wife was looking at a small 9mm and chose the Taurus but while she was choosing, I also was watching over her shoulder and felt very favorable towards the Glock 26. The next week, I found a used Glock 27 for a great price, so I picked that up (My new EDC). At the same time, they had some police turn-in Glock 22s for $329.00) I also got one of those. My wife changed over to carrying my Glock 26 but complained about the "thick" grip. A week later, I found a Model 43 and she LOVES it.
My opinion: Glocks are like Ford F-150s. Not pretty, reliable and durable. Of my four, all got checked out (50 rounds per mag rapid fire, and at least 2 mags of defensive ammo) before we considered carrying them==NO FTF.
Saturday, I was working an environmental festival and one of our Agency LE came by. I asked him which Glock he was carrying and he said it was a Model 22. He had transferred after several years with the Park Service (with Sigs) and said the Glock was much more "Trouble Free" than the Sig. He carries a Glock 26 as back-up. I also chat regularly with one of the Forest Service Special Agents. He is issued a Glock 22 (which he loves) and has a Model 27 for off-duty and BUG.
In short, I would go for it!
My wife was looking at a small 9mm and chose the Taurus but while she was choosing, I also was watching over her shoulder and felt very favorable towards the Glock 26. The next week, I found a used Glock 27 for a great price, so I picked that up (My new EDC). At the same time, they had some police turn-in Glock 22s for $329.00) I also got one of those. My wife changed over to carrying my Glock 26 but complained about the "thick" grip. A week later, I found a Model 43 and she LOVES it.
My opinion: Glocks are like Ford F-150s. Not pretty, reliable and durable. Of my four, all got checked out (50 rounds per mag rapid fire, and at least 2 mags of defensive ammo) before we considered carrying them==NO FTF.
Saturday, I was working an environmental festival and one of our Agency LE came by. I asked him which Glock he was carrying and he said it was a Model 22. He had transferred after several years with the Park Service (with Sigs) and said the Glock was much more "Trouble Free" than the Sig. He carries a Glock 26 as back-up. I also chat regularly with one of the Forest Service Special Agents. He is issued a Glock 22 (which he loves) and has a Model 27 for off-duty and BUG.
In short, I would go for it!
Personally, I love the G22 and G23 Gen2 pistols. They just feel right in my hand without the finger grooves.They seem to have a better metal finish than the current crop.
Still looking for a G19 Gen2.
Here is a pic of my Georgia State Patrol G22, Gen2.
I think under $350.00 OTD is very fair for a decent Gen2 of any sort.
Good Luck!
Still looking for a G19 Gen2.
Here is a pic of my Georgia State Patrol G22, Gen2.
I think under $350.00 OTD is very fair for a decent Gen2 of any sort.
Good Luck!
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