Glock Accidentally Discharges

[computeruser]

A reinforced mouth band on that holster would have solved that problem, as would a holster simply made of a more substantial leather.

Buy cheap, junk holsters, get junk results.

 

[oldman45]

Sorry but I disagree with those saying this could have happened with any other type gun. The next time I am in the local briefing room of an area PD I will take some photos. There have been several unintentional discharges that left marks in the floor, all from Glocks.

It CANNOT happen with my cocked & locked S&W 1911 or any of my other semi autoloaders. They have safeties. For my 1911 to discharge in such a fashion, it would have to have the ambi safety clicked off, the grip safety depressed, the trigger pulled and the holster that would allow such trigger contact through the holster. Not going to happen. It would be difficult to happen with a nice revolver since the trigger pull would have to be longer and take more pressure to bring the hammer back so it can fall on a round.

As most here know, I am an expert in the field of accident & crime scene reconstruction. I see more accidental discharges with Glocks than any other brand. Some here favoring the safe Glock may want to take a look at all the lawsuits from their gun discharges. Granted, since there are more out there in daily use, Glock has more exposure and more potential for discharge.

In the above case, I would almost bet the indenture of the holster was caused over time from the seat belt coupler rubbing against the holster as the poster is seated in his car. There has been more than one seat in a police car punctured in such a fashion but it is usually on the left side of the car.

 

[joeintexas]

I for one appreciate this post, as careful and safety minded as we all try to be it never hurts to have a little reminder about what a firearm can do and is made to do. I don't carry a glock but my son does, he is very careful with it and handles it as it should be, I will however still send him this link! Thanks for the post.

 

[tg4360]

I also wonder about holster to weapon fit. I have that exact holster and carry daily a Sig. 229 and the fit is so tight I cannot see the holster ever getting that loose. The holster is boned for that weapon.

I'd thought perhaps he was using it with the belt loops inside between the holster and his waist but a second look at the pictures indicates he was wearing it properly.

Just put mine on to go to work and I can see how if the holster were very loose, that section of the leather could start to fold like his did but it'd have to be a super loose fit and happen over time. I think it'd be very noticeable on holstering particularly as, you cannot one hand re-holster with this model.

TG

 

[neiljrosen]

Most of, if not all the unintended discharges that I've heard about used to be be with 1911's and now it's Glock's.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

The next time I am in the local briefing room of an area PD I will take some photos. There have been several unintentional discharges that left marks in the floor, all from Glocks.

Several unintentional discharges in the briefing room?

Is there anything special about the briefing room, or are unintentional discharges standard operating procedure wherever these LEOs are through the day?

 

[giddyupsut]

thousands of rounds

I have shot thousands of rounds through my Glock pistols without a single AD or accidental double tap. Shear negligence is afoot here.
I have though seen the result of a shirt getting caught in an IWB holster as the gun was being holstered. It was a nice hole in the LEO's pants and floor!

 

[18DAI]

I saw something similar during a qual at my last agency.

Officer had a Glock 22 in a kydex holster. He was wearing one of the raid jackets with the plastic knob thingies suspended from either side of the jacket.

One of the knob thingies plopped over the top of his holster while he was shooting.

He reloaded and then reholstered while the knob went inside his trigger guard. BANG! He had an awful looking scar on his backside.

Another reason I've no use for striker fired plastic pistols. Regards 18DAI.

 

[MK]

I am in the habit of holstering most handguns, especially Glocks, with my finger BEHIND the trigger to make sure that doesn't happen.

I do that as well. But I go a step farther and make sure the pistol is
pointing slightly away from my leg when I drop it down into the holster.

Also, like one, I usually don't carry a round in the chamber on mine.
But I'm not carrying it for crook defense, I'm not a cop, etc..
Mine is mainly for critter/prowler protection when I'm up at the dirt patch.
I'm willing to live with the extra second or two to rack up a round, when
it provides almost total safety from ND's.
I consider that the "external safety" on those striker fired pistols.. :/

 

[38-44HD45]

I'm glad the fellow wasn't hurt worse, and glad he fessed up to the event, but if I'd been that sloppy, I don't think I would have told anyone. Like perpster, when I carry a Glock, I always place a finger behind the trigger while holstering. I also make sure there are no bits of clothing loose to catch the trigger, and only carry in good holsters. This was a case of negligence, pure and simple, as have been pretty much all the Glock "accidental" discharges about which we've heard.

I have a difficult time figuring out just how that deep dent got in the holster, although I guess the seat belt could have done it over time. I've occasionally used Sparks' version of that holster (the original one) which is a much higher quality rig, and I don't think it would even be possible to kink it that way without doing so intentionally.

For those who carry Condition 3 to avoid such things, let me suggest that if you are that afraid of the design, you might want to change to a 1911-type or a revolver, or spend anough trigger time at the range to get comfortable with your gun. It ain't gonna pop on its own, and any degree of reasonable care will prevent such NDs.

 

[M3Stuart]

I know several LEOs all of which were issued Glocks at one time or another. Some love them, some hate them.

Like somebody else said; the tendency to blame the gun probably depends on whether the writer loves or hates glocks.

 

[38-44HD45]

Sorry but I disagree with those saying this could have happened with any other type gun. The next time I am in the local briefing room of an area PD I will take some photos. There have been several unintentional discharges that left marks in the floor, all from Glocks.


My experience (full disclosure: I was told these stories and was not physically present); I know several LEOs all of which were issued Glocks at one time or another. Some love them, some hate them...BUT, every LEO I've ever met has told me that Glocks will absolutely discharge if dropped, bumped, handled wrong or whatever. One LEO I know was in a bar in D.C. when he dropped his. He said it went off 3 times before it quit bouncing. Personally, I won't own one.

Sorry in advance, and nothing personal, but I must call BS on this one, ESPECIALLY the one "going off" three times. Sounds like the cop had one or ten too many and hallucinated the warehouse scene from True Lies! Handled improperly, yes, they will fire. Dropped? Bumped? PUHLEEZE!!

 

[smith revolver cop]

This ought to be a sticky in the M&P & SIgma sub forums as this can happen to any striker fired pistol. This is also the reason I gor my 9 with the manual safety

I like having a manual safety on any semi-auto. Those who don't feel compelled to use it, don't have to. But, I like having it available.

 

[oldman45]

Sorry in advance, and nothing personal, but I must call BS on this one, ESPECIALLY the one "going off" three times. Sounds like the cop had one or ten too many and hallucinated the warehouse scene from True Lies! Handled improperly, yes, they will fire. Dropped? Bumped? PUHLEEZE!!

Sorry and nothing personal but a couple of things to clear this up.

1. The second half of your "quote" from me was not mine. Never experienced this and never witnessed such as told by others.

2. I own a few Glocks. Never had one go off on it's own. Never had one go off when dropped but then I never have dropped one (yet). I have never been in a room when one sustained an unintentional discharge. I have seen the results several times of unintentional discharges. One that comes to mind is when an officer went to tend to business in the restroom. His pants dropped and the gun went off, sending a round through the wall and into the office of the Chief. Glocks are good guns but they are not the best guns out there and they have their flaws, one of which is there are no safeties.

 

[JcMack]

Here's my G36 in a Bianchi minimalist 105. It's a holster design I really like, and is similar to the "problem" holster. It is however not gun specific. Most of the Glock line is listed for this holster. Note how the trigger safety mech is exposed. It's been fitted as far as the gun can be seated in the holster.

 

[Rule3]

Stick a plug in it.

Saf-T-Blok Safety / Protection saf-t-blok®, left handed, fits all - TopGlock.com

 

[cal50]

Well someone had their finger on the trigger and squeezed.....
Glad no one got seriously hurt.

I like all my guns without mag or grip safeties. No matter what safety is present or not if you put your finger on the trigger you have a greater chance of it going "boom".

 

[JcMack]

Stick a plug in it.

Saf-T-Blok Safety / Protection saf-t-blok®, left handed, fits all - TopGlock.com

Yes.. I believe that will be my game plan. Or the little button in the aftermarket trigger.

 

[oldman45]

Several unintentional discharges in the briefing room?

Is there anything special about the briefing room, or are unintentional discharges standard operating procedure wherever these LEOs are through the day?

This is where they sit through briefings, laying their Sam Browne belts on the tables while listening and then putting them on before going to their cars. It is also the place where they visit during breaks between bookings and such. There have been more lies told in that room in the last 20 yrs than there has been in politics in the last 100 yrs. One of the Commanders says it is also the most prone for accidental discharges.

 

[MK]

For those who carry Condition 3 to avoid such things, let me suggest that if you are that afraid of the design, you might want to change to a 1911-type or a revolver, or spend anough trigger time at the range to get comfortable with your gun. It ain't gonna pop on its own, and any degree of reasonable care will prevent such NDs.

I knew this would come up... It always does it seems.
I'm not afraid of the design, and not afraid to carry one in the chamber.
I'm also plenty comfortable with it. I've had it a good while.
But.. I have no real pressing need to carry one in the chamber, so
I feel the extra safety is worth the appx 1 second it takes to rack one up.
If I think I need one in the chamber, I'll crank one in there. But it doesn't
happen too often.

Nothing can sneak up on me out there. I can hear them well before they
ever get close to me. So 1-2 seconds is nothing to me. Not an issue at all.

I would be more than happy to go to a nice 1911, but I'm too cheap to
pay for one at this time. :/ I'd rather have a nice 1911 any day...
But not just because of the safety. Other reasons too.

In my case, I don't see much difference from the revolver user who
prefers to keep one empty in the cylinder. Not quite the same
mechanically, but the end result is about the same. It ain't gonna fire
unless I want it to.

Like I said, if I were a cop, or whatever, I'd always have one in the
chamber. In their case, 1-2 seconds can be critical. But it's not in my
case. I've got plenty of time to ponder the situation. So I see no reason
not to take advantage of the extra safety of an empty chamber.

My methods may not fit everyone, but it works great for me, and
my chances of a trigger snagged ND are pretty danged low.
Like I say, I'm often tromping through brush, tree branches, limbs, etc..
Even with my decent holster, @#$% can happen. But it won't with my
method. I've pre-nipped it in the bud.