Glock Accidentally Discharges

[lonejacklarry]

I am in the habit of holstering most handguns, especially Glocks, with my finger BEHIND the trigger to make sure that doesn't happen.

I prefer to keep my finger completely away from the trigger. It would be too easy, in my opinion, to miss the spot and end up w/ the finger forward of the trigger as one holstered the weapon.

I've never had a Glock (or any other weapon) go off if it is left alone. There has to be some degree of operator error in one of these deals.

The holsters that I use are all Blackhawk Serpa CQCs. In order to draw the weapon, one has to extend the trigger finger along the holster and press the little lever. When the weapon comes out, the trigger finger is along the barrel and is no where near the trigger. After several thousand repetitions, it is easy--no more difficult than any learned repetitive motion.

When the weapon is holstered, the trigger is completely covered. No, they are not pretty nor are they real leather. They do, however, function as advertised and securely lock the weapon in the holster. I would not use anything else.

 

[brucev]

Wore out holster. Lack of care in holstering the weapon. Result is a negligent discharge. Same thing happens when people make mistakes using 1911's or when they try to fast draw a SAA cocking as they draw.

 

[4011]

Many years ago an officer went to the restroom and his 1911 dropped and blew the tolliet out from under him. Scared the whole dispatch office and flooded half the area. I dropped a loaded g26 and it didn't fire. I never have heard of a dropped are a briefing room discharge in our local PD. We always went to briefing dressed. jus saying. Checked my Galco and at this time there is no way for the trigger to be pulled by the leather.

 

[Rule3]

Yes.. I believe that will be my game plan. Or the little button in the aftermarket trigger.

Was not directing it to you.Just indicating that such an item exists,

 

[Faulkner]

This is where they sit through briefings, laying their Sam Browne belts on the tables while listening and then putting them on before going to their cars. It is also the place where they visit during breaks between bookings and such. There have been more lies told in that room in the last 20 yrs than there has been in politics in the last 100 yrs. One of the Commanders says it is also the most prone for accidental discharges.

With 'several' AD's reported in the briefing room, sounds like a procedural issue that needs addressed.

After 17 years with the sheriff's office we've never had a AD/ND in the office. We have gun lockers for a reason. The only reason a firearm comes out of the holster in the office is to/from a gun locker. If a duty belt needs to come off, gun goes in the locker first. Need to take a dump in the restroom, gun goes in the locker first. I have suspended more than one deputy for taking their duty belt off in the office with a firearm still in the holster.

Different training styles I suppose, but how long does a briefing take that officers need to take their duty belts off? If our office was the most prone place for AD's, I think I'd be doing my paperwork in the car or at a donut shop. Don't mean to be so critical, but that's plain scary.

 

[jkc]

Was not directing it to you.Just indicating that such an item exists,

These "trigger block" widgets, name escapes me, sorry, don't fit all models of Glocks, and are not one-fits-all, make sure you get the right one, if available. Look at the Siderlock trigger safety retrofit, which I've found to be satisfactory. It's not as easily installed(using the the lame instructions supplied) as claimed, but any Glock certified armorer should make short and inexpensive work of it...

 

[ladder13]

Many years ago an officer went to the restroom and his 1911 dropped and blew the tolliet out from under him.

Someone tap on his toes?

 

[Snowbandit]

I hate Glocks as much as anyone but, this isn't a gun failure. The gun did exactly as designed, discharged when the trigger was pulled. It's a holster malfunction, whether defective or somehow caused by the owner. I would be very interested in what Galco has to say about it.

FWIW I won't own a striker fired pistol for this reason alone. They all seem unnecessarily dangerous when safer options are available.

 

[anoblefox]

the springfield XD is striker fired; however it also has a GRIP safety. My best buddy had an accidental discharge with his glock, I firmly believe that this would NOT have occurred (in this particular case) with the XD design, that's why I bought one instead of the Glock, but to each their own!

 

[NCTexan]

I am not a Glock fan, but this "discharge" has nothing to do with it being a Glock. Any striker fired gun, SW, XD etc would have fired if the the leather protruded into the trigger.doe he mention if it is a stock trigger?

The guy shouldn't have that pointed stick in his pocket either.
Might poke his eye out

How would this have happened with an XD or XDm which has a grip safety? I think that it would have needed another factor to depress the grip in addition to the holster trigger protrusion.

 

[Rule3]

How would this have happened with an XD or XDm which has a grip safety? I think that it would have needed another factor to depress the grip in addition to the holster trigger protrusion.

I have several XD's and perhaps mistakenly included it in the list. It actually might have happened with a XD if the "dischargie" had to push hard on the gun thereby pushing on the grip safety. I holster a XD and use mywhole hand, not just my thumb and forefinger to place it in the holster. It is hard not to engage the grip safety, but granted it would be a little more difficult. There also is not enough information as to if the trigger is stock.

I will retract my XD example and change it to a SW MP or Sigma, Kahr then, or some other such striker fire gun without another form of mechanical safety.
If I had the guys holster I could probably make a SW MP do the same thing.
I still maintain it is not the fault of the gun, which ever brand you want to pick.

Based on the post of some guy with a bent holster who posted some pictures on the internet all the thousands of Glocks in service must be immediately be recalled.

 

[beemerphile]

I have eight Glocks and they must all be defective. In the 25 years since I bought the first one, I have never had one KB, ND, or AD. I did put a G26 9mm mag into my .40SW G27 once though in a random act of stupidity. It put the 9mm bullet on paper and objected to the treatment by refusing to cycle the slide.

I think a heavy Kydex holster with FULL coverage of the trigger should be considered as an integral part of the gun's safety system. The operator is ALWAYS part of the safety system. As you add more and more safety systems to a gun so that you can mishandle it with impunity, you make it less and less available for rapid application towards a threat. I fer danged sure won't be cycling a slide in order to bring it to bear.

It is not difficult to locate and use a properly designed holster.

 

[JcMack]

I'm kinda dumb. When I first read the description of the episode as told by the victim, I thought the AD occured because he was reholstering the gun in the car. Not so apparently. He's lucky he didn't kill someone in the restaurant. Anybody want to buy a G36? I believe I'm better off sticking with revolvers.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

I'm kinda dumb. When I first read the description of the episode as told by the victim, I thought the AD occured because he was reholstering the gun in the car. Not so apparently. He's lucky he didn't kill someone in the restaurant. Anybody want to buy a G36? I believe I'm better off sticking with revolvers.

Even a bottomfeeder can be safe. Use the safety, and make sure you hold the hammer back (or down) when holstering. If you have a gun with no hammer showing, either put your finger behind the trigger like perpster does, or don't carry it. BTW, this also applies to any Centennials that don't have functional grip safeties. Obviously, they are not quite as sensitive as a Glock, but they still need to be handled properly.

 

[USAF385]

What if someone said "this knife is unsafe because the blade is too sharp. If you touch it you'll get cut. I prefer this knife because the blade isn't as sharp so you won't get cut as easily."

I'd be thinking this guy needs to learn how to handle a knife.

I don't get the idea some people have that semi auto's need safeties... I've gone all my shooting life without accidentally firing a revolver... why should I accidentally fire a semi auto? The only reason is improper handling.

Perhaps if someone is so worried about accidentally pulling the trigger on a Glock they should reconsider owning gun all together.

Here's the IWB holster for my G27. The trigger is more than adequately covered.

 

[smith revolver cop]

Even a bottomfeeder can be safe. Use the safety, and make sure you hold the hammer back (or down) when holstering. If you have a gun with no hammer showing, either put your finger behind the trigger like perpster does, or don't carry it. BTW, this also applies to any Centennials that don't have functional grip safeties. Obviously, they are not quite as sensitive as a Glock, but they still need to be handled properly.

There's the rub... no safety to use on a Glock!

 

[Etemmu]

Carry gun=thumb safety
range gun="trigger safety"
I dont understand how a "safe action" trigger safety can be called a safety, regardless of who manufactures the weapon. Whatever your preference, we can all learn from this guys mishap. Thankfully there were no serious injuries.

 

[MK]

As far as myself, the rub with the safe action trigger on the
Sigma is it only works if the snag/pull is in the middle, or on
the upper section of the trigger. If it's on the lower half of the
trigger, it can be pulled full range and fired.
This is why I often carry with an empty chamber, even though I'm
using a holster that covers the trigger fairly well.
But I'm in a different position than many guys. I'm not carrying
concealed, and the use of that pistol is mainly out at my dirt patch.
It's almost purely for mean critter use, not for crooks.
It's the branches, limbs, brush,etc that I'm constantly tromping though
that bother me.
I'm afraid that some day one might get poked in there, and then
come pulling back out, and a branch off the branch might catch and pull
the trigger.
Like I say, the extra second or two to rack the slide is nothing to me
out there, so I prefer to take the safe route to assure that no matter
what happens, the pistol is not going to fire.
Sure, I may be overly paranoid, but I would rather lean in the direction
of the extra safety.
I've been shooting for 40 years or so, and I ain't never had an accident
yet.. Bang on wood.. I'm trying to keep my record intact..

BTW, in this case, I do blame the holster and user, and I consider it a
ND, not an AD. It's no fault of the pistol.
And yes, in my case, the pistol is a Sigma, "some would call it a
Smegma", :/ and not a Glock. But they are pretty much the same in
function. The trigger itself is a bit different between the two though.

 

[Faulkner]

There's the rub... no safety to use on a Glock!

I have looked and looked and looked and I can't find the safety on my K Frame either.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

I have looked and looked and looked and I can't find the safety on my K Frame either.

But you can hold the hammer down while reholstering, to avoid exactly the problem that occurred with the Glock and the old Galco. Perpster even avoids it with a Glock, but I'm not sure whether it can be done his way with all holsters.