Going Ca legal WIP

[Westie1]

With the "new definition" of what an "assault rifle" is out here, starting 1Jan, figured I would give you lucky folks an idea as to how I'm going about complying.

First thing, installed a Magpul FCS stock. Even though the length of pull is fixed, I'm 6' and I find no problem shouldering the rifle and having proper cheek positioning for use with a bushnell scope.

Then today, went by LGS and ordered a Comp since one of the things that makes an AR an "assault weapon" is the A2 flash hider.
Went with a comp rather than a brake because of how the powers that be have defined a flash hider/suppressor. Here's what I went with- SLR Synergy Mini Comp 5.56
Will post impressions after it's installed and used.Synergy Mini Comp 5.56

As to the pistol grip that's now a no-no, haven't decided yet. Got several options, and got to think that one through.

Chose to go this route for several reasons. One is that it allows me to install a normal mag release and be legal. Another reason is that no one really knows right now if devices like the ARmaglock or the Patriot mag release will comply with the new laws.

 

[Ozark Marine]

Good going, and thank God I'm in Missouri.

 

[vonn]

Haven't seen the rules but I think I will look them up. If they allow you to keep a standard mag release I think they didn't accomplish anything.

 

[jagular]

Any "work arounds" that you may be able to apply now will surely get addressed on future legislation. Good luck to you.

 

[GeoJelly]

I'm curious to see a foto of how it looks once you are finished. I saw an integrated pistol grip stock on TFB that looked pretty good - kinda bulky but not at all unattractive. Don't feel too bad - I'm over 60 and I (although they are legal to own here) haven't had /don't have an AR-15 type - at least you have one!!

 

[mrchuck]

Go look at the Kel-Tec rifle, and get an idea from it.
I love this rifle. Mine has never failed to do it's part!

 

[g8rb8]

Westie1,
Those of us to the east of you feel your pain ...... but we all feel much safer.

Is Rube Goldberg smiling?

 

[arnoob]

Saw this easy to follow flow chart the other day, I don't see what's so confusing about CA gun laws? [/sarcasm]

CA AW ID Flow Chart

The observant among you will notice that almost all paths lead to the ILLEGAL box. I love appendix A, B and C too, feels like a lawmaker that learned about guns from watching Commando on VHS just opened a Cabelas catalog of the era turned to the Semi-auto rifles section and started copying down names, common sense be damned lol.

 

[Westie1]

Saw this easy to follow flow chart the other day, I don't see what's so confusing about CA gun laws? [/sarcasm]

CA AW ID Flow Chart

The observant among you will notice that almost all paths lead to the ILLEGAL box. I love appendix A, B and C too, feels like a lawmaker that learned about guns from watching Commando on VHS just opened a Cabelas catalog of the era turned to the Semi-auto rifles section and started copying down names, common sense be damned lol.

That pretty much states the situation out here, except for the recent change as to what a fixed mag is. Under the new revision, if you want to keep your AR stock the bullet button is no longer legal. They changed the wording to eliminate the use of a tool to drop the mag. That loop hole is what made the bullet button legal. Under the new setup, you have to "disassemble" the weapon to reload.

 

[TangoDelta1959]

Sorry for all of the headaches out there in California. Texas is a little easier for us gun lovers. Will be interested to see a picture when everything is complete ...

 

[wurger]

OP, take a look at the Exile Machine Backfin. I'm going to featureless one AR so my kid can shoot it (under 18 can't shoot a so-called Assault Weapon in CA after it is registered as such). I'm using the Backfin, Magpul FCS, and just throwing a thread protector on the barrel to prevent any LE confusion.

 

[Rastoff]

What the OP is describing is a "featureless" rifle.

In CA, so called "assault" weapons are illegal. They first tried to make them illegal by name. That's what the Appendix A, B and C are about. That was easily bypassed by simply making new guns with different names.

Then they tried to outlaw them by feature. They tried to make a legal definition of what features make a gun an assault weapon. The definition is this:
An assault weapon is any centerfire semi-automatic rifle with a detachable magazine and at least one of these other features:
A pistol grip that extends noticeably below the action.
A flash hider.
A collapsible stock.

The bullet button turned a removable magazine into a fixed magazine because you needed a tool to remove it. They have redefined the law so you have to disassemble the receiver to remove the magazine.

Fix the magazine and the gun is not an assault weapon. Unfortunately, that makes it difficult to load. So, take away the supplemental features and it's no longer an assault weapon and can have a removable magazine.

So, there are ways to make a gun usable, but featureless. Here is one such rifle:

Muzzle breaks are OK. Calling it a "comp" changes nothing. It's just flash hiders that are illegal.

 

[Westie1]

Rastoff is pretty much correct as to what's going on, aside from a couple of points. The line about the shroud covering the barrel applies to pistols only. Yes, these elected reps have said you can have a pistol that is an "assault weapon." And that's a whole 'nother story. Also, forward pistol grips are illegal.

Hopefully, those of you living outside of the DPRCa can now understand what we're going through. With this info, you'll be better informed and thus able to fight moves like this where you live.

 

[Rastoff]

Yep, the shroud only applies to pistol assault stupidity.

I dislike this legislation. Anything else will get me banned.

 

[153]

Do not assume that making your California MSR "featureless" allows you to remove the bullet button mag release. The state is still reviewing the new laws and has yet to clarify this issue.

 

[Lee in Quartzsite]

You think you have problems, what about the poor dairy farmers? They just announced they are going to start regulating cow farts to help eliminate Global Warming!

Move 200 miles East and be free again!

Cow Fart Regulation Passed Into California Law << CBS San Francisco

 

[blkM&P-15T]

I'm moving out of CA as soon as we can- maybe 3-5 years. In the meantime I have no plans of trying to jump through the Kommiefornia clusterF@ck of gun regs just to make a semi-auto sport rifle "legal"- the the Socialist politicians want to eliminate all ARs and AKs from the state. If they think it's going to be easy to make law-abiding citizens surrender their firearms, guess again.

Geno

 

[Rastoff]

Do not assume that making your California MSR "featureless" allows you to remove the bullet button mag release. The state is still reviewing the new laws and has yet to clarify this issue.

While caution is always advisable, going featureless has always made it OK to remove the bullet button. The thing that's questionable is the "new" bullet button. That's the one that requires you to pull the take down pin, pivot the upper out of the way and then push a button to remove the mag.

 

[Westie1]

While caution is always advisable, going featureless has always made it OK to remove the bullet button. The thing that's questionable is the "new" bullet button. That's the one that requires you to pull the take down pin, pivot the upper out of the way and then push a button to remove the mag.

Agreed. No one knows, not even DOJ, what "disassemble" means. And which AG is going to make that decision? Is it going to be our outgoing one, or the one Brown just appointed. Nuff on the politics.

Gave this whole project a lot of thought before I started. The way I'm going is costing more, but I feel more comfortable about it. Still haven't decided on how I'm going to deal with the pistol grip. Have several options, including a diy kydex wrap. Right now, waiting on two things- SLR minicomp and a Larue MBT2s.

 

[blkM&P-15T]

The thing about all of these mickey-mouse CA gun regs is that their agenda is clear- make the functionality of the AR, AK and any other sport rifle with a detachable mag so bad, the owner will abandon hope of using it in public, or better yet surrender it for destruction. I refuse to modify any of my sport rifles just to make them "CA legal"- the mods look horrible and destroy the functionality of my rifle. Keeping me from using my rifles a clear violation of my 2nd Amendment right to bear arms. Yeah, we've all have heard it before, but it's time to draw a line in the sand and stop bending over and grabbing our ankles.

The inventor or the bullet button is introducing a mag lock that only releases the magazine after pulling the rear takedown pin and splitting the upper and lower receivers- this new setup makes mag changes so quick and easy rifle owners will not care if the rear takedown pin has a pull ring on it. How long will it take the liberal anti-gun politicians to figure this out? Maybe a few years-lol.

Geno