Good 9MM a Carry Ammo?

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My carry ammo is what the PD issued me, but it's 13 years old now. I generally shoot a magazine a year through my gun, and they've always fed and functioned fine. I'm down to my last box, Federal 147 grain Hydra-Shok. We also used Speer Gold Dot 124 grain +P and I have a few rounds left.

So I go shopping yesterday for some. Found some Federal 115 grain Hydra-Shok and some Gold Dot. Don't remember the weight on that. I do remember the price! Good Lord! 60 to 75 cents a round for 50 rounds! I'd rather stay with something that I know the gun likes cause at those prices I won't be shooting a box for familiarity.

I know ammo doesn't go "bad" if stored correctly, but is 13 year old ammo too old to carry?
 
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It will most likely still work, depending on how it was stored.

In my 3914 Smith, I use standard pressure 147-gr Federal (plain ol' white box) JHPs. They shoot pretty close to where I'm aiming, and I bought a good bit of it online when I found it, around $21 a box. If you don't plan on shooting many of them, the Remington Golden Sabre can be found in 3 different weights online for around $11 per 25. Federal's older Hi-shok 115-gr goes for $17 per 50. I'm assuming price is an issue for you (as it is me). If it's not, the possibilities are endless.
 
If you wanted opinions, no, I would not defend my life or my family with 13 year old ammo.

Tough to get affordable quality SD ammo these days. I avoid the big box stores and shop on line.

Anything on Doc Roberts list should be good to go:

Doc roberts 9mm List (there might be more recent versions)

Best Choices for Self Defense Ammo

I use Speer GD 124+p. I try to run a magazine a month, at least.

I find sgammo.com is a good supplier:

50 round box - 9mm +P Speer Gold Dot 124 Grain LE Hollow Point Ammo - 53617 - Limit 5 | SGAmmo.com
 
SG Ammo has Federal 115 Plus P Plus 9mm at 18 clams, or so a box. They are proven. If not,. Corbon 115's, Remington Golden Sabres, 124 Plus P's, etc, etc.
 
9mm Gold Dot run around $22.49 for 20.............
A Buck a pop is normal for quality SD ammo, these days.

Even some of the prices for 38 special 148 gr. HBwc ammo makes my head spin !!
 
9mm Gold Dot run around $22.49 for 20.............
A Buck a pop is normal for quality SD ammo, these days.

If you go with Fed HST's in 50 rd boxes labeled for LE from someplace like SGA you can usually get it down to $.60 +/- per pop. Difference in price per shot adds up quickly. And if you get a handful of boxes in one shipment, the shipping usually only adds about 10%, so still under $.70 per shot.
 
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I chose Corbon DPX even though it's pricey.

In terms of "expiration dates" on ammunition, here's a quote from Massad Ayoob on the subject...

" As a rule of thumb, ammo manufacturers suggest a ten-year expiration period, but in practice I've seen ammo decades old that worked fine so long as it was stored in a cool, dry place. Beyond 20 years I would personally worry about internal gunpowder degradation. I certainly would not use ammo that old for defense or anything else that was "serious."

Factory carry loads, stored properly, can be kept for years.

Ammo CARRIED IN THE GUN in my opinion should be rotated out after six months. the reason is, in a carry gun or on the person as spare ammo, the rounds are being shaken with each step. The more it's carried, the more likely one or more rounds will be jacked in and out of the chamber, which can break the seal at the case mouth. The primer rests under the firing pin channel, where metal-penetrating oil can eventually ooze down and start to threaten the primer's integrity. There are also remote chances of condensation effect as body heat and ambient temperature around a sometimes on-body, sometimes off-body gun and magazine do their thing."
 
This type of question seems to come up often and the responses vary
considerably. I have some Lapua 9mm surplus ammo headstamped 59
and I would carry one of my 9mms loaded with it without hesitation.
In firing several hundred rounds of it over the last several years I've
never had so much as a hangfire. I could cite numerous examples
from my personal experience because I stocked up on several different
calibers of ammo back when there was a tremendous amount of
import ammo coming in at prices that look like give-a way today, mid
to late 80s and early 90s. My opinion is that 13 year old ammo that
has been stored properly can be considered the same as new.
 
Premium ammo in the usual 20 or 25rd boxes will typically cost +/- $1/ rd . In recent years most ammo actually seen on shelves seem to be either Premium or Generic , with "Normal 1st line" ammo rare.

There are a metric ton of choices of decent ammo , with personal preferences and biases being a big factor.

Since you know and like 124 Gold Dot , no reason not to continue with it , it remains a top choice.
 
What ever ammo you choose, I'd test it thoroughly through the gun you intend to use it in to make sure it is totally reliable - no matter how great the ballistic or statistics are.

Many years ago when I carried a Colt 1911 for personal protection (only a short amount of time ) I loaded it with standard 230 grain Hard Ball ammo strictly for 100% reliability. At the time the hollow point ammo I tried did not feed at 100% and so I did not carry it - even though on paper it had wonderful ballistics. Reliability beats ballistics every time!
 
Yup, 13 years is not "old," assuming the ammo was stored properly. Don't worry!

And agree that the HST and Gold Dot are two of the best choices. I like the 124 or 124+P.

In addition to sgammo.com, there is also ammunitiondepot.com. One or the other should have what you want in 50 round boxes for under $30.
 
Can't go wrong with Gold Dot, especially if your gun likes it. I've always felt that HydraShocks were a gimmick and I doubt the post in the cavity does much to aid in expansion. But all ammo prices are crazy now and we're not likely to see them go down.
 
I would shoot up the old ammo in training drills. Since you already know your pistol will run the Speer Gold Dot 124 grain +P buy a new box or two of em an go with that.
 
Hornaday 124gr XTP hollow-points. Best & Cheapest.

Sorry, but 115gr is too light for an effective 9mm defensive round. The Hornaday 124gr Critical Defense XTP is one of the longest running rounds on the market, most tested, most recommended by LEOs and CC groups, most reliable, most accurate, and cleanest burning.

PLUS, for a 25-round box (not the usual 20-rounds boxes other companies sell) at Academy Sports costs $13.95.

Yes, you read that correctly. Even though it may be marked higher on the shelf, that price is for the 115gr. The 124gr rings up at the cheaper price.

Like I said, you can't go wrong. Check all the reviews.



My carry ammo is what the PD issued me, but it's 13 years old now. I generally shoot a magazine a year through my gun, and they've always fed and functioned fine. I'm down to my last box, Federal 147 grain Hydra-Shok. We also used Speer Gold Dot 124 grain +P and I have a few rounds left.

So I go shopping yesterday for some. Found some Federal 115 grain Hydra-Shok and some Gold Dot. Don't remember the weight on that. I do remember the price! Good Lord! 60 to 75 cents a round for 50 rounds! I'd rather stay with something that I know the gun likes cause at those prices I won't be shooting a box for familiarity.

I know ammo doesn't go "bad" if stored correctly, but is 13 year old ammo too old to carry?
 
Sorry, but 115gr is too light for an effective 9mm defensive round. The Hornaday 124gr Critical Defense XTP is one of the longest running rounds on the market, most tested, most recommended by LEOs and CC groups, most reliable, most accurate, and cleanest burning.

PLUS, for a 25-round box (not the usual 20-rounds boxes other companies sell) at Academy Sports costs $13.95.

Yes, you read that correctly. Even though it may be marked higher on the shelf, that price is for the 115gr. The 124gr rings up at the cheaper price.

Like I said, you can't go wrong. Check all the reviews.

Hello fellow Pete. Not to nitpick, but...

A 115 gr 9mm FMJ will do the trick, just like a 40 gr solid .22 in the x-ring will. I gather from your initial statement that those extra 9 grains of weight is the deciding factor? Where is the line? Would a 119 gr bullet fail, while a 120 would work?
 
Pete....and Re-Pete

Here's the problem with full metal jackets.

Using ball ammo is not recommended for self-defense because it punches little holes right through people instead of expanding in size - that mushrooming effect caused when the hollow-point expands outwards from the force impacting the bullet's inside.

It dumps most of the bullet's kinetic energy into the target's body and the mashroomed jacket either stays intact, or with some HP's that have a lead core, that core becomes the projectile that's designed to penerate deep enough to reach a vital organ: 12" deep according to the FBI's performance protocols for defensive rounds along with a minimum of a 3 1/2" wide wound channel (but, don't quote me on it as I'm trying to recall it from memory).

Yes, those extra 9 grains do make a difference. If you look across the entire spectrum of 9mm handgun use, you will find that it was the lighter 115gr. ammo that played a part in the vast majority of cycling problem and firing issues - not just on the basis of round's popularity and frequency of use, but also proportionate use of each bullet size.

Somewhere, there is a statistic floating around that standardizes the # of failures (y) by the number of rounds chambered (x) divided by the number of guns chambering and firing them (n). But, it's not a simple linear equation based on a normal distribution. Reliability equations are always logarithmic and nonlinear with the underlying distribution heavily skewed in one direction - as in the total number of rounds fired by the total number of guns.

A simpler way of putting it is, the more you fire a gun, the higher are the odds of a failure (assuming you're using the same ammo each time under the same conditions).

One thing about a certain brand of ammo is patently clear. The steel-cased Wolf and Tula have the absolute highest failure rate of any brand or type of ammo irrespective of caliber or the firearm platform used to shoot it.

It's failure-prone. It's dirty as hell. But, people buy it because it's cheap. Ball ammo is cheaper than hollow-points and that's why tghey buy it for taerget practice. But, you also have to devote a lot of practice time to your defensive ammo.

There have been significantly fewer instances of ammo-caused failures when 124 grain bullets were used. The extra weight and size (as well as the additional propellant that sends them out at velocities equal to the smaller 115gr.) makes them a lot easier to load and fire, and cycle the extract and feed sequence.

It is also the NATO standard for the same reasons.

Since kinetic energy is mass * velocity, a heavier bullet traveling at the same velocity as a lighter bullet will produce more kinetic energy. Let's take an extreme case of +P ammo.

Cor-Bon makes a 115gr and a 125gr JHP +P that travel at 1350fps and 1250fps respectively. Now, if you matched the speed of the 125 grain with that of the 115grain so that both travel at 1350 (like +P+ Buffalo Bore does), the 125grain bullet would produce 40 more FPE than the 115 grain, which is a big difference.

Also, larger bullets retain their energy for longer distances because they are less effected by the downward force of gravity (32fps * 32fps). At 50 yards, the 115grain bullet has lost 11fps in velocity when compared to its larger 125grain sibling which still has 38 FPE out of its original 40 FPE.

Ballistics aside, the most important thing is reliability putting enough energy in the right place and creating enough of a hurt on your assailant as to persuade him to stop his assault.

Besides the energy dump from an expanbding bullet and the wider wound cavity, there is also a shock effect. Not a "hydrostatic" shock, like Federal advertises, but a bioelectric shock to the body's nervous system.

THIS is what actually stops an attacker. Albeit, not instantly and permanently, unless you hit a physical part of the nervous system, like the spinal cord or the brain. But, it will be instantly and last long enough for you to escape or maintain the upper hand over your attacker.

In this definition of "stopping power," the idea is not to drop the man with one shot because that is just not going to happen in a realistic encounter (unless the perp is right on top of you) with a 9mm or even a .45ACP

The bullet is a "Man stopper" but not a "Man dropper." The bullet is designed to stop the man from doing what he was intending to do before a bullet shocked the **** out of him.

On the other hand, if the guy is so high that he feels no pain, then, like they teach cops at the academy, keep on firing until he does.

Anyway, that was my long-winded defense of the 124 grain 9mm.

Your results may vary (as they say on TV).

Thanks for the shout-out, Pete.


Hello fellow Pete. Not to nitpick, but...

A 115 gr 9mm FMJ will do the trick, just like a 40 gr solid .22 in the x-ring will. I gather from your initial statement that those extra 9 grains of weight is the deciding factor? Where is the line? Would a 119 gr bullet fail, while a 120 would work?
 
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I got a box of 50 Federal 147 +P HydraShock's on the way. I will use the older ammo for training and load up the guns with the fresh stuff.
 
Unlike a lot of the posters on these forums, I don't believe it necessary to spend $1.25/rd. for SD ammunition. Do a Google search for Federal 9BP. You will find it for $18/50. It was good enough for Pittsburg PD in the day.

If you like 147gr bullets, you can find WW Ranger SXT for not much more. The Ranger SXT is Black Talon by another name.
 
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